For now Nomads look like a new character in some moba game (League of Legends for example), that got lots of new buffs and toys. But in that games it is usually fast to fix after a weak if someone is OP. (Overpowered. For us OP letters associated with oop sometime...) A patch or two, and things are... ok. But I am not sure, that our game balance would be fixed that easily. I am still looking for my faction in the game, but I know, which one I don’t want now. And remember, you could just not to play with nomads principally or use miniatures in Stargrave. And no one would be harmed.
As a former player of that game I remember times where some champs, aspects of gameplay or something else took longer at being addressed. If this speedy replying to bad buffs or bad nerfs is happening today then good for the people who still play that game. There is StarCo. & Foreign Company that use Nomad units. So their models do have a use to someone who doesn't want to play their faction.
@Daireann Agreed. I think you are right about the situation souring many people's leaning towards playing as Nomads or playing against them.
Wow, the sky sure is falling. What's the whine about, again? I've lost track. Is it that Nomads get a 36-point lieutenant who doesn't do anything except hide in the back and not die? Or is it Bakunin getting expensive Diggers?
Ok back from Adepticon today. That didn't make any sense. What do you mean entirety? It's not like I can take them all. YJ NCO are good for a price. Again I said nothing bad about the Lts. I don't think the new one for Bak is even good. I'm not sure what utility you are talking about, in YJ it's usually a choice of guns OR specialists. Not both. A little lucky to have Krit who has both, for a price. But YJ HI are expensive and in an expensive force over all. RG are cheap for what they do in a force that has MANY other good cheap troops. I'd kill for those stupid cenobites. Can I have some Shaolin in HI please? Ones who have the ability to ignore their impetuous because they are in a fireteam? Anyway, Nomads, who already could do just about anything, can do more of anything. The certainly didn't loose much. Bran might have lost DA CCW and climb+ but gained 6-2 move and NWI. That's a move up, not down. But they also gained a parachutist with D-Charges. If your Lt. is being hacked/E/M'd or whatever at the beginning of the game, you've got a lot more to worry about than just LoL.
My army didn’t get exactly what I want, how I want, in the quantities I want, and to make things worse other armies got stuff, and, as the last kick in the teeth, didn’t lose everything they had!
I look forward to when CB releases their Top 10 most efficient Factions for ITS 14. And people don't believe it because it shows that Nomads are not dominating. Then I look forward to talented individuals scraping the ITS 14 data and it continues to point to the dominance of Aleph, CA, and Kosmoflot. And people will continue say that Nomads have no weaknesses and can do everything. Maybe this time it will be different.
Nomads have been a sticking point. There's something that isn't represented properly in the data that's presented.
/s If you've learned one thing over the last 6-7 years, it should have been that "their own preconceived notions will trump a proper data set 9 times out of 10". If the data doesn't fit their notions, then obviously the *data* is wrong. /s
I'm sort of in agreement with @Judge Dredd here that those factions (ALEPH, CA, Kosmo) are probably a big part of why Nomads aren't Top 10. They're actually equipped to exploit the Nomad C&C weakness and are given tools to either match or avoid the indirect board control Nomads can project, giving them an advantage with the right lists. Coming from Yu Jing and NCA, and with a little play in MRRF and Bakunin, exploiting the C&C weakness is not something that every army and list can do; out of all my armies only M5 and Bran could have plausibly taken down so much as an Alguacil prone on a roof without some luck with Speculative Fire. I would certainly believe that starting T1 or T2 in LoL would be crippling for Nomads, needing so many orders to set up their tricks, but for opponents who can't make that happen Nomads are just frustrating to play into. (Funnily enough, nobody ever managed an assassination run on my Bakunin, even when equipped for it. The Custodier's ODD did a truly exceptional amount of work for me!)
He and I have this argument all the time. I don't think it's so much Nomads as much as he plays OCF and USARF, and neither one has gotten any help in a very long time.
THIS. YES. PLEASE. I'm going to talk about MY OPINION here: What annoys me in every nomad release is that they're usually the first ones to push the boundaries of what can and can't be done with the game and with their own rules, and while I think that does fit their lore, I do get annoyed because other factions could use this kind of shakeup and still they're stuck under these weird restrictions (PanO getting no smoke, for example). In the case of the bakunin update, most of the new units are actually catching up. Cheap specialist link fillers, cheap warband-like HI, bulky HI with linebreaker options, these are all stuff we've seen before, but given a nomad twist. Which I like. The Daemonist makes me roll my eyes, but it's not the worst thing ever. It's just... odd.
The new release is cool If people said "I'd like cool stuff" I'd be a lot more amenable to their argument than "you shouldn't get cool stuff!" Especially when it's dressed up in baseless accusations of just being op or infringing on design space that's a made up thing, like it only exists in that space because people have decided in their own head it does.
But then, once the boundaries are pushed someone will get the same toy as Nomads, but better... And everyone will forget about that shitstorm we're having about Nomads, don't bat an eye for the following power creep and cry again when Nomads get something cool AGAIN. Peperidge Farm remembers.
Oh, I would not forget this situation. Definitely, I would not. I am in the game... Hmm... I guess not for long. I've started since the end on 2019. 2020 and other were difficult for playing, but I was interested in lore moments, and only this days I am trying to come back at last. And I dont like what I see. So, this is a point of view of person, who is just started of a kind. And I see the game from the point of lore and factions images. How this represented in the game, how it is playing. I may be not the fan of the religious moves on Bakunin, but I almost accepted this, and it would be a good ground for Bakunin vs Bakunin stories. I really like new character figure of strong and beautiful lady with hammer. (may be I would make even a fanart if I would know better about her) But I really dont like to see when faction breaks the rules of the picture. Nomads are good in it, making some cool unexpected innovations like robot-bike team and so on, but some moves looked just strange. And this move is more like marketologist decivion... Or so. I know, how Avatar or Achilles could be strong, but their "OP status" in rules fits their stories. And even if my tries against them would be pain in the lower part of back, it would be an interesting fight, when I would say: "Ohoho, it was hard... It was that legendary thing!" In this situation I would see, how people were trying to make someone nice, but just giving power without story. I like, when someone is selling we something in a beautiful way x) May be my opinion (and it is so) not that valueble as a player, but I feel something wrong too.
I think that it's a matter of there being a strong skill curve in Nomad performance, and if you balance for the median it gives good Nomad players an unearned advantage compared to similarly skilled players of other factions. Evidence? I don't know. But I don't have hard evidence that a number of the ITS missions are imbalanced in terms of giving the advantage to players who go 2nd (or more rarely 1st) but I don't think that's controversial. This is tying in with CB's relatively new policy of not giving units new rules unless they make new models, to drive sales, and it's making the game less enjoyable for people who don't play the chosen factions/sectorials (Nomads, MO, etc)
