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Bakunin revamp: what's going, what's staying

Discussion in 'News' started by burlesford, Feb 3, 2023.

  1. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Hellraiser unfortunately is even more niche than 40k nowadays.

    That being said, I dig the Cenobite ladies. I like the armor, I love the haloed visors and the poses are so, so godamn badass.

    If we can field these ladies alongside riot grrls we'll be able to drown people in power armor.

    Invicible Army, eat your heart out.
     
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  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Next you'll tell me people don't realise that the Dark Angels are a giant metaphor for closeted homosexuality!
     
  3. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    Armed nuns with no sense of compassion for others and the best way to resolve something is with shock ammo to the head. I don't totally see it physically but the tone is there for me. Just the fact we are discussing it, means something is there. Even on a superficial religious-zealot-with-a-gun level. So I can agree physically for the most part they don't look too much like SoB except on the most base of levels. But in tone they are a bit more than base level.
     
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  4. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    It could be said, though, that the whole "gun-nun" idea has that same vibe, so it's less a "point of similarity" and more a given. The reasons for the Observance's founding, their enemies, their tactics, their role within the setting, their (evolving) aesthetic. Of course, in the end, if that's how some people see it, that's how they see it, so it's less a matter of "right/wrong", more a matter of "opinion/opinion".
     
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  5. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    “Who wore it better?” memes are gonna be fun for the next few months regardless.
     
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  6. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    SOB have John Blanche on their side, they win the 'who wore it better' contest by a landslide here :D

    Jokes aside, someone else I was talking with pointed out that discussing the differences takes a lot longer than just going 'oh, they're Infinity's SOBs'. And that does have merit. I agree they are different enough to have their own identity, but most people will conflate them and that's just life.
     
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  7. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Hiring John Blanche and Jess Goodwin were the two best decisions GW/Citadel ever made. Even decades of corporate malfeasance can’t overcome really great art.
     
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  8. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    The answer is the Observance, going away.
     
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  9. Wizzy

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    The new artwork is very gothic and less cyberpunk, we are in a space cathedral without it showing, where we have fires and smoke. I remind that we are on a spaceship in a hard sf cyberpunk universe. For me, I think that the concept artist aimed an inspiration of battle sisters and dark cyberpunk, I suppose that we will have the answer in the week with the video of bostria.

    While looking for ideas of infinity parodies for the women's day, I realized that the observance happened to fall in the same week, last year we had a special men's military orders, this year we have a special women's observance, 2 religious orders, 2 orders more or less centered by gender, it looks like a war of the sexes revisited, especially if you look at the Dire Foes. I don't think that it was not wanted or a coincidence, there is a match.


    When this mini came out, people in the French warhammer forum thought that GW was copying on Infinity, in a way the circle is closed.

    Talking about Dark Angel, there is a big star of the french internet who also pointed out this comparison ^^
    It is sad that the miniatures are made of metal, it is the only thing that prevents him to proxy his tau and eldars... CB would master the siocast as the metal, we would have a star with a large following of >500K subscribers, who could have done free advertising for this game...
     
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    Wizzy Well-Known Member

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  11. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Military orders are not gender segregated (look at Raveneye most important knights are female as is half of Joan's six), The observance is a true Matriarchy.

    of course CB could release a few more female knights, but we are in the Observance thread.
     
  12. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Well there's Sin-Eaters...


    I'd say that there's a superficial resemblance, but reading the backstory on both of them they're very different. One of the biggest differences is that the Sororitas are "mainstream" in 40k - they're part of society and its institutions, whereas in Infinity the Observance is a kooky, bigoted cult mostly confined to one of the three Nomad city-ships.

    That is so edgy lol

    Grimdark refers to moral tone, not aesthetics.

    And the Observance has always been into mutilation and dehumanization of its adherents (and everyone else).
     
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  13. anubis

    anubis sarcastic exaggerator

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    Isn't that the propaganda backbone of every religious orientated war? Like in "killing a non-believer is no sin, it's the path to salvation".
    Dehuminizing the enemy is nothing GW invented
     
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    If I would be from Tunguska, I would say: “Oh, just don’t disturb Praxis Labs and don’t ruin my tourist business on upper level of Bakunin. What do you mean, chimeras and pupiks are sin? People were interested!!!”
     
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    chromedog Less than significant minion

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    Nah, that would be Ikari company. Baddest SOBs in the inner sphere.

    I don't think CB will go the route of "order of the crimson shroud" levels for their battlenuns. (Yes, GW did go there ).
     
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  16. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    My point is it's not grimdark, because grimdark fundamentally describes a setting. Also, the Observance is not becoming more SoB-like, because it was always big on the dehumanization and literal mutilation.
     
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    Time Bandit Vulnerability (Total)

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    I have a theory; the new Observancy models ripped off this series of sci-fi battle-nun models that a small Spanish wargaming company put out in the 2000s and 2010s. When you see them side by side it's pretty obvious!
     
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  18. UpirLihi

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    Observance has always had disturbing and dark elements. And I'm absolutely happy about that. That's also the reason why I'm not very excited for the penitent - cartoonish swords, exoskeleton which is... a bit on the silly side and not too good as a pinup either...

    But the rest of the models are top notch!
     
  19. burlesford

    burlesford Sheet guy

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    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I have to say I really like the Mother Healer Wabara (the Big Sister with a Hammer) model.

    Buildt like a tank :) looks like someone who could bend a rowdy Jotum over her motherly knee and properly spank its bottom :P
     
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