Asura HD+ MULTI Rifle is in Army now...

Re: Dakini - sorry, but look at Tunguska. Bunch of special additions, including no-Securitate Securitate link teams.

RE: CSU, I wasn't complaining, just listing the limits. I also think CSU is fine as fairly separate option.

It is only flexible within the context of Yadu. And whatever you might think about their individual efficiency, they still cost high 30s, meaning if you try to make any kind of link with them you'll run out of points before

I was imprecise. I meant long-range AROs, which I class as +3 until 80cm and good longer rangebands. Spitfire/Marksman/Red Furys are not particularly good. For close in protection we have a large assortment of weapons, sure, but if enemy is that close that means they have control of midfield (where most objectives are, and giving them ability to maneuver to engage any midfield troopers easily), plus putting our troopers in template danger territory (and given high numbers of REMs, thats a big threat in Aleph).

As for unlinked, I wasn't discussing it here in terms of overall defensibility, but linkteam composition. We can't, for example, pull anything close to USARFs 4x/5x Sniper Grunt (+ filler Grunts), or TAKs 4x/5x Line Kazak Sniper (+ filler Kazaks). We can't even do the 2xFusilier ML+2x/3xFusilier FO. We can't pull good trooper + cheap fillers like Tohaas GeoRael+cheap Kamaels.

Note here I'm not complaining that we can't, this is just analysis of what we can or cannot do. Sure, Yadu can have some strong ARO fireteam options but that's basically your list due to their cost so not really a good option. Dakinis Snipers are very nice, but they can't Dodge for their life and we can get at most one Missile Launcher (not a Dakini one!). And all of this costs a lot. Deva FOs are really nice, sure, but even they cost an arm and a leg for a defensive fireteam.

Furthermore, consider that our one cheap fireteam option can have only one cheap trooper that can go Prone, which can create problems during deployment.

Anyway, a more proper analysis of our Fireteams will come later. But we're definitively a notch below TAK in Fireteam options, and some of them seem meaninglessly restrictive (Rudra > Yadu). But it's still interesting.

 

... Go away troll. You know very well I was talking about full Fireteams.

With infiltrators we're putting Combi Rifles or Boarding Shotguns there generally. And again, then these infiltrators are vulnerable to direct template attacks and enemies choice.

As for fast movement, that requires that you've had turn already, that you chose to move that team there, and again, it exposes them to templates.

In any case, as I pointed out already, it is not about whether it is necessary or critical to have, merely if it is possible or not.

And oh, let's add to list of why our Fireteams are limited the fact that our cheap options for Fireteams come with extremely limited selection of both weapons (in terms of ranges, but also ammo types - CSU helps here a smidgeon by bringing in Breaker) and even the more expensive option for joining that fireteam only comes with 3 different options (only one of which is good assault option and none of which are long-range ARO).

 

It doesn't exclusively. But it can be a part of it. In fact, you can have high flexibility while only have one unit type in Fireteam, if that unit type has many different loadouts available. Or you can have fireteams of many different units, yet low flexibility if all those unit types give you same/similar loadouts.

Not sure what you are referring to here, but I guess. :D

I'd say they're decent weapons, wouldn't go up to "insanely good". But that's neither here nor there; in this case I was merely analysing what options for long range ARO options our Fireteams have. As I said, 60cm doesn't cut it, not because weapon isn't good, but because it's too easy to outrange and thus doesn't fill in for this purpose. Spitfire or SMGs get classified the same, despite them being great weapons otherwise.

 

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I'm glad you're all having fun with all the strawman arguments, but please cool it down, and read what I wrote.

First, stop with the "but Marksman rifle". Not talking about it. This is what options we have for LONG-RANGE AROs from within the link teams. I am not even saying you need to have something linked like that. I am merely going through options we do have available.

MULTI Sniper is a great weapon, excellent for the long-range ARO duty, I am not denying it. And Dakini with it is an absolute marvel of a piece. Again, not disagreeing. However, that is the only Dakini long-range ARO option (well, there's also HMG, but it costs the same while being assault piece). Most equivalent line infantries (although not all of course, Regulars come to mind) will also have Missile Launcher available in-unit.
We can link the Missile Launcher, but it costs roughly the same (despite being slightly worse, since +1 BS does not cover no Mimetism, but okay, not that critical). This means we can't choose to downgrade into cheaper ARO weapon to save points, and we have extremely limited access to cheap linkable long range template weapons (exactly 1, not 1 option, but AVA 1).

Neither Devas nor CSUs have long range ARO weaponry. Devas do have nice Spitfire option for assaulting, as do CSU with Breaker Combi Rifle (which in my opinion rates very high as a weapon). Add it to Dakini HMGs, and we have a decent although hardly extravagant set of choices.

One thing we're spoiled for is specialists, especially more expensive ones. We have great and varied options.

On the expensive side, we have Deva Fireteam and Yadu Fireteam. Deva Fireteam has no built-in longrange options and can take only a single Missile Launcher (same as Dakini), while Yadu HRL would be a great option if you didn't have to pay half your army for a full link - 2/3rds if you don't simply take the cheapest options. Frankly, that's Hospitallers fireteam cost territory.
An okayish version would be to take it as a part of Yadu Harris, and this I do rate as pretty nice, especially if you pair it with Samekh. On the other hand, you'll still have to pay for Yadu Harris in that case, which is 37 points that are just sitting there doing very little.
EDIT: It occurred to me you can link them via Deva Harris, which looks much more interesting, since it's cheaper and Deva Sensor can be a useful piece even sitting in the back.

Again, this is not talk about power level of sectorial as a whole, merely a look on what we do or do not have available in Fireteams - an analysis.

You know what, nevermind. I'm sure OS is totally OP and needs NERFED immediately has access to everything and bye everyone.

 

Please re-read my sentence. I said "limited selection of weapons in terms of range bands", not "limited range bands". As in, Dakinis don't have a second long-range option, only MULTI Sniper. Devas have no long-range options. There is AVA1 Samekh for a Missile Launcher. Yadus only get HRL for long range AROs.

Anyway, not important. Obviously I'm playing this game wrong so I'll just shut up and sit down somewhere else.

 

Yup, plenty did, although many in different ways. Maybe it's my English.