ARO + Engage + MA4 = ?B

Engage is no CC-Attack and only allows you to move into the engage state with an active enemy model. So you dont use MA or any other CC-Skill for this, but Kinematica/Hyperdynamic and other dodge related skills.

 

That right, MA only applies when you attack in CC

 

The last statement is arguable as per RAW right now (see CC Special Skills discussion), but either way MA do not work for Engage.

 

Curious to know why you can't use MA in Engage ARO?
Reading Engage doesn't say anything about not using MA if the ARO is passed for engaging in CC.
Even when reading CC Attack, it states nothing about not using MA.
And upon reading Martial Arts, during the Active or Reactive Turn, MA can only be used if the trooper can reach to be in BtB or be in BTB to use MA.

 

I don't see anything that says MA do works with Dodge. So it must not work with Dodge. Engage is more similar to Dodge than to CC Attacks. The charts does works for CC Attacks, but I don't see why you would gain a damage bonus and/or burst bonus when dodging or engaging.

I-Khol works with Dodge and Engage because there is a special effect note saying it works. MA doesn't have that special effect.

 

Other reasons aside, I'd point out that reaching base to base (which is one of the requirements to use MA) is contingent on passing the Engage roll, and unlike the Move skill, you don't actually move into B2B until resolution. The rules break if you fail both Engage rolls (again, assuming for the sake of argument that you could get +1 B) because by failing you weren't allowed to make 2 rolls in the first place.

 

Also, i-kohl has specific language that lets it work with Engage and Dodge, other CC Special Skills lack this clause.

 

I know that MA doesn't work with Dodge.
Engage is and isn't a Dodge to say the least as you are still moving into BtB with the target, but only by passing a PH roll to do so, which if it is a success, you Dodge the Attacks to move into BtB. So it is and isn't a Dodge.

But there isn't anything that I can see in the rules that says you can't use MA when in BtB if the roll is successful. So unless I'm missing something, instead of just short convoluted answers, why not point out where others can find it.

 

1. Although it's not explicitly called out in the rules, you need to be declaring a CC Attack to use (almost all) CC Special Skills.
2. You wouldn't fulfil the base contact Requirement to be able to use Martial Arts when declaring an Engage, as (unlike the target of the Engage) there is nothing that lets you lift the Requirement.
3. Engage doesn't have a Burst value to be increased to two, it's just a PH Roll.

 

1. Yes...that's right. Must be in Base to base contact to declare a CCA.
2. I guess that in order to meet the requirement to use MA in CC, we refer to #1? Be in base to base.
3. That part I understood.

 

Yes, and the Engaging trooper isn't in base contact.