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[April], come she will...

Discussion in 'News' started by Solar, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. Palomides

    Palomides Well-Known Member

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    Granting that this is viewed by YJ as an internal issue, I still don't see, "Broadcast the mass graves that we caused." The Crane agent saying something as simple as, "Show the world what the JSA seek. They brought the fight to civilians, they armed their schools, and have made their homes into battlefields. We will not be intimidated by their acts of terror, we will not concede our sovereign territory nor abandon our Imperial subjects to violent extremists. "

    Put the blame on the JSA, let Yu Jing explain that they are in the right.
     
  2. berynius

    berynius Well-Known Member

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    The answer to that is yes/no/maybe/kind of.
    In the infinity fluff there are to kinds of spaceships Those with a Minotaur Drive and those without. The Minotaur drive is what enable a spaceship to travel through the wormholes most ships don't have one of those and are must latch out to a larger ship to go through a wormhole like the Circulars operated by O-12.
    Now PanO and Yu Jing certainly have warships with Minotaur drives while the Nomads motherships lack those. Nothing is know about Haqqislam, but I would say that it is safe to say that both Nomads ond Haqq have at least some warships that are wormhole capable also form the description I suspect that some of the Tunguskan courier ships are able to jump wormholes.
     
  3. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    You know, information/propaganda is a weapon
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  4. berynius

    berynius Well-Known Member

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    So about that article we were promised by @Koni what are the chance that it will drop tomorrow?
     
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  5. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    Of course, he's a Speculo agent after all.
     
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  6. Aldo

    Aldo Spare 15

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    So we are just attempting information suicide then.

    Okay, I will leave my elite HI to Haqqislam, my Rui Shi to Ariadna, my Shaolin to PanO, my Kuang Shi to Aleph, my Lu Duan to Nomads and my Zanshi to Tohaa. All the rest is for the Druze whatever Security sectorial.
     
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  7. Aldo

    Aldo Spare 15

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    Between one and fuck you. I want to believe it will happen, but I have to admit I don't trust CB to get a deadline right.
     
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  8. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Source my quotes?

    Ok but will not go to page numbers just the safe assumptions I made.
    Yu Jing are a totalitarian state empire governed by the monolithic party, the only power the party does not have is the law and its enforcement.
    Japanese before the uprising were Yu Jing citizens and their territory was Yu Jing territory.
    All indications are that Japanese took up arms and there is no indication the quote is from dispersing some peaceful demonstration.
    All the above show it is an internal affair of Yu Jing involving an armed revolt from part of their citizens against their nation, that is by definition an internal affair, not an invasion of a foreign nation.

    There is no Indication that the news team is anything but internal consumption and the agent addresses the Japanese not the world, doesn't say show to PanO he specifically says show to the Japanese, this is probably a coordinated intimidation campaign intended to break the revolts moral, a measure that can end it up fast and relatively bloodless, there is no indication that anything he says is more than "poetic" and are more or less just the effects of armed combat.

    ISS is a military police and enforcement army, their duties and that of the Yu Jing emperor are internal security and pacification, if the Japanese started a revolt and they did not find it, it is a big loss on their hands and a huge political and PR issue for them (you had ONE job), while not guaranteed many agents will be overtly emotional seeing this as their personal fail towards the Jade throne and their country.

    Japanese started as full citizens and they gradually lost it, this is in the fluff, despite that Yu Jing let them still in even as second class citizens and allowed them much freedom, they were not all incarcerated for example because some freedom fighters blew stuff around Yu Jing territories.

    From the perspective of an ISS agent it is easy to see the revolting Japanese as ungrateful and it is not at all impossible the quote to be an internal affair intimidation campaign to break the revolters moral.

    Again given it addresses directly the Japanese, I do not think it is a Chanel broadcasting outside Yu Jing and finally, again, it is an armed revolt in a state that has similarities with medieval hegemony killing the revolters was a thing they did and taking the extra steps that all other citizens of their nation knew it happened so they do not get ideas of their own was quite common and effective.
     
  9. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    The literal tomorrow, or the Spanish "tomorrow"?
     
  10. Aldo

    Aldo Spare 15

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    It was supposed to be this week, so we are already in full Spanish tomorrow mode.
     
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  11. Mask

    Mask Well-Known Member

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    And... You can't judge a phrase extrapolated from the context... (i think we will have the whole vision of the matter one we have the book in our hands)
    Also... You'll have to consider that there is a possibility that Yu Jing have made believe (or be really convinced) that the Japanese have committed a lot worse during the uprising and that this kind of response is only to "show what's the price to pay if you betray your nation and commit atrocities against our people"
     
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  12. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    I was too slow with the edit. "Source your quotes" basically means "this post was so stupid I can't believe that you, an intelligent person, would write it, so tell us who did". Sorry for the misunderstanding. Still, to address your explanation:

    There is no such thing, this is not the 1940s anymore. Even in Vietnam you had journalists sympathetic to the communist side. It's enough if one dissident records it with their jailbroken comlog and retransmits it to the general public. And I don't mean general Yu Jing public. If ISS doesn't want to play up the "necessary evils of a generally just side", the JSA will. And we already know PanO's helping the Secessionists with weapons and the like, so a controlled leak to various mayablogs is very likely.

    "Look at the mass graves" isn't really welcoming from the Japanese perspective. "We're killing everyone who rebelled against the State-Empire", so your choice is basically continue the uneven fight at all costs with a small chance to win, or lay down your weapons and get executed or kuangshified. Hmm, let me think about it really hard.
    That agent is either a Speculo or Kempei impersonator, or about to be executed for sabotage and aiding the enemy during wartime.

    ...now that I think of it, that quote belonging to a Kempei impersonator would explain so much.

    Reminds me of a communist-era joke about Stalin with the punchline of "He could've killed the kid but didn't!"

    Again, it's not the medieval times, China is no longer the center of the world. "You wanna be an evil hegemony? Sure, how about having all your motions before O-12 blocked at every step? Or maybe a trade embargo, to break up the monotony? No? You sure you need that access to Circulars, or so much ALEPH processing power? And before you take any really drastic steps, let me remind you that the MAD doctrine has way less effect when you're on separate planets."
    There are many things that can go wrong when you're not the top dog in the neighborhood, and even before the uprising Yu Jing's been trying really hard to get that position from PanO.
     
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  13. Aldo

    Aldo Spare 15

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    Headcanon will only carry you so far. And in my case, that tiny spot saying that Yu Jing had a good side even if it was a little dusty and you couldn't see it clearly because it had been ages since they cleaned the blood is dead. DED.

    Like, gimme something showing a good side to living in Yu JIng. Anything. Even a functional postal service in an age it is obsolete and noone uses it will do.
     
  14. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    Yes we can, especially if it's presented on its own separate picture as promotional material.

    Same here. I just refluffed my JSA as a splinter faction that stayed loyal to the State-Empire especially after the Kempeitai atrocities, got out my Pheasants to proxy Kempeis, and now this. It's really straining my remaining will to play this game. And my frustration is already at ~940 milliguges by latest estimates.
     
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  15. sarf

    sarf Well-Known Member

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    I like this text because it`s cartoonish enough.
    If I want to read about collateral casualties, proxy war, government fake news agencies, governments denying full-scale military operations I`ll just read the news.
    Come on guys, it shouldn`t be as horrible and disgusting as reality. It`s unrealistic enough to not disturb and not stress.
     
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  16. Mask

    Mask Well-Known Member

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    I disagree but respect your point of view!
    For me the whole context is essential to fully understand a statement.

    Mask
     
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  17. Del S

    Del S Tunguskaball

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    The new unit for the Invincible Army, the State Post Bureau Operatives. AVA1, ride motorcycles, deliver letters. It's where Asuka actually ended up because she got a new job before the uprising.

    Letters may actually be boarding shotgun shells to the face, but they may also be actual letters.

    They may also be bills for shotgun shells used to execute traitorous relatives. But they might be money-off coupons for Lo-Pan Noodles!
     
  18. Aldo

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    You're hired. That's the canon of what my Aragotos are now when they aren't proxying as Rui Shi and Lu Duan.
     
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  19. JoshTheStampede

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    If you played YJ before and didn't want to play as a brutal totalitarian state that crushes dissent with a thriving secret police network that disappears people and has multiple units of penal conscripts, some of which are used in suicide bombings, you were already headcanoning those things away. You can...still do that. It's not like YJ was all flowers and rainbows before.
     
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  20. DukeofEarl

    DukeofEarl Well-Known Member

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    Best Booty Roll.
    Table CRUSHTHEREBELLION.
    1-2: You have letters. Good luck
    3-18: You have shells for your shotgun
    19-20: Someone "accidentally" replaced your mailbag with a Missile Launcher. Have Fun!
     
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