@Benkei a car analogy is so weird because the biggest cost of a car is the car and not the extra equipment in it, but to go with your analogy: if CB decides to split JSA off - it's like the car company installed all those extras into one of your OTHER cars, a different brand that you didn't think was good but never actually tested before. We aren't talking CB Squatting JSA, we are talking more Horus Heresy here. I for one welcome Chaos Samurai.
No matter what CB ends up doing people will be disappointed as while they want to build hype for a product (good idea) they leave too much to the imagination (bad idea). If they didn't take so long and put out all the info over the course of a week or two instead of months we wouldn't be having this problem. I do wonder how much of a spilt there will be. While we have Bostria's comments about people being upset we don't know if this is what he was referring too. Something for them not being a 100% split (like only loosing the Sectorial but not base units) is that one of the big reasons for the RPG delay was Guiter wanting to make sure the fluff we were getting in the RPG would match up with the fluff from the miniature game for several years so the RPG wasn't outdated quickly. There was an interview with him where he mentioned this and how he had to work out everything to make sure that wouldn't happen. So we either have this split as something CB only decided upon recently (RPG book hasn't even been out for a year) as there's still Japanese in YJ in the RPG fluff and so CB either decided to just backtrack on the reason for the big delay of the RPG very quickly or it's just that the JSA is moving out but figures are still good in vanilla.
About the horse and carriage: no, my car analogy is perfect and yours is not, as the guys selling you the horse and carriage and not the same folks preventing you from using it
I don't think your analogy really works any better, tbh. JSA units have always been a part of vanilla Yu Jing as far as I know, how they can be considered "extra" I don't really get. Maybe the JSA units like ninjas or Shinobu ARE as valuable as the doors or trunk of a car, and are pieces that you specifically bought that car for. If you bought Yu Jing because you liked to mix Tiger soldiers with ninjas, an Oniwaban and a Crane, then I don't see how the Oniwaban or Ninjas have ever been considered extra any more than the Crane or Tiger.
I might like the aesthetics but hate JSA playstyle, I didn't need to like the JSA playstyle because JSA didn't exist when I started playing the game, I could play all the troops I liked in vanilla Yu Jing. That would be a cool change, instead of splitting JSA, the uprising is smashed and the sectorial dismantled so JSA players are forced to buy vanilla Yu Jing to keep playing their miniatures, how would you like that? That would be real fun, isn't it?
It's so weird to see angsty Yu Jing players! You guys got lots of love the last couple of years, and you're getting a raft of shiny new JSA goodies this year before any of the rest of us see our new sectorials (save Tohaa, who get nothing and nothing, in that order, until 2019 . . . maybe?). It seems highly unlikely that all JSA units are going to be yanked from YJ (ninjas, in particular, given the existence of Red Veil), and even if they were, the absolute worst case scenario is . . . you have to start a non-aligned sectorial to use your existing models? Well. I mean, I get that this might not be everyone's idea of a "best case scenario," but it hardly approaches GW levels of contempt for one's own customers (nice Tomb Kings army you got there, too bad for you!). There are a lot of assumptions based on mere speculation being made on here, and some reactions to those assumptions that one might generously describe as "overblown." Unless you joined a monastic order and made one of your vows "I shall never play an Infinity faction other than Yu Jing," this is at worst a speed bump in your hobbying plans. Chill out, and let's see what happens. In the meantime, go back to enjoying being CB's golden child.
They will likely keep some JSA units in vanilla. I hope it's only a few. But your models are not wasted. They just form a new faction, either your have a bunch and paying this new faction is easy. Maybe you don't like it though and decide to sell, still not useless because you will be able to find buyers Or you don't own thatt many and the level of crying over less than 30-50 dollars is fucking amazing. Bearing in mind it's 30-50 that you've already got value from. People want the story to advance but then never want anything to change. It's baffling to watch. I'm maybe biased because I've always found JSA and vanilla to be very different in playstyle. And own many you jing models but separated into two armies with little crossover. II agree a full split will hopefully bring some changes to vanilla yuu Jing like Zhansh definitely need a 1 point discount.
I'm not getting a raft o shiny new goodies, JSA is getting them, what I'm getting basically amounts to a kick in the face. I'd certainly prefer to not get any news at all than to get news that a I can't play with a third of my models, and that isn't because I did some ridiculous oath not to play JSA, but because I don't like to play JSA, I don't like how they play in the same maner I don't like Ariadna or Tohaa, I don't think Its so difficult to understand. That is of course if JSA ends up spliting and I lose the use of my models, if this doesn't end up happening your are entitled to point it to me and I'll apologize, although I'll still think that no news is better than bad news
Is anyone else feeling CB's marketing about whatever is actually coming could be handled differently? Their approach seems to have build up more anger, anxiety, fear instead of hype. Not to mention also the uninterested yawns from people who aren't invested in JSA.
The moment people scream at each other and call names. I am more than happy to keep a heated discussion active but I would rather have it be civil.
Well, it doesn't make sense because the premise doesn't make sense. If all the units in a faction are equivalent of the interiors of a car, then... wut? But the real point is that if JSA goes rogue, your investments will still be there, they aren't being taken away like they did with the limited few Exrah models that had been released. The only real problem is, as you say, if you played vanilla and liked the mix of certain unit types and those were suddenly taken away. Then there are the visor REMs. Would they still be part of a rogue JSA? Would they be replaced with Peacemakers like in Druze? Would a rogue JSA even get S4 REMs?
I dunno, the leak got me more hyped than I was in the last 6 months, while the ENOUGH teasers and other ~high-quality content~ leave me more and more disinterested in the game.
Like I said before. I am not invested but to me this is quite exciting. Maybe its exciting because I am not at risk of anything. I think there is a lot of anger/anxiety/fear because there is CRAZY speculations that people are saying as if they are fact and so this creates issues. Speculation is fine as long as people who are just peaking at the speculation threads see all these "horrible" things being stated as facts, don't then go elsewhere stating these speculations as fact. I can almost guarantee that when whatever happens gets released we will look back on most of these speculation threads and think how silly we all were.
Let me read through what I wrote and what others have written again... hmm... Nope, I don't see what you've been reading. Ninja KHD is literally the only one that's being pointed out as being critical and none of the JSA characters are being pointed out as corner stones. I'd go so far and say that none of the Yu Jing characters are nearly as important to their faction as any given character in any other faction - unless we're talking about JSA characters in JSA (but we're specifically not).
I have high hopes for JSA rebellion thing and I don't really care if that will be partial or total split from the main force. JSA was what lured me to infinity in the first place. Even though I love miniature aesthetics I'm not a fan of the sectorial playstyle so in the end I drifted toward vanilla and ISS armies. I hope rebels get some fancy new toys and the whole sectorial becomes a bit more flexible. In the end if YJ is going to lose access to JSA units, I hope something will fill the void as we won't be able to use about half of our TO/ infiltrators profiles. I don't mind the anime inspirations but I'm not a fan of notCelti unit with a scythe. If CB wanted to pay tribute as they apparently did with GITS characters, they should have done Kaneda on a bike with a heavy laser rifle ;)
White banner is coming, how do you know they arn't doing the split to make more design room for them? Everyone just breath, the models will still be in the game, just maybe not in the same faction. This is and has always been pushed as a game with a driven narrative, hence the seasons. We the consumers are a part of the narrative and as such, sometimes we will feel injustice in what happens. Thats fine, either you reconcile the changes into your chosen faction or you move on. If you really feel cheated, sit down and figure out how much time you have spent with the model, compare that to the cost and you will be easily pleased that choice to spend disposable on income on this form of entertainment has a great return on cost/hour. But to reiterate, just breath, its a marketing push by a company for a game.
In what? 2024? Invincible is this year, but we were getting Invincible anyway, this is like blowing up Bakunin to make room for Tunguska.
