Anyone run Gūijiă?

I wont use Guijia until it's cheerleaders can be linked to at least provide some turn one ARO defense.

 

Different pieces with different roles. The Guijia is much more mobile, carries a specialist, but is also more expensive and requires more support.

 

Guijia, Guilang sniper, Armand and lots of cheap support troops like Keiso- oh... well, that's one list I won't run again.

 

I wouldn't for now. JSA troops were actually a big part of what enabled it now that I look back on how I've used mine.

It's probably the third (maybe fourth or so if I'm forgetting some) worst TAG in the game, but it does have its little niche. You don't really get that combination of mobility, toughness and long ranged firepower anywhere else in the faction.

 

You can, i run it some times with a list based on suport him (i call it guijia and co lists).

But is true Guijia, as far is only aviable on vanilla, isn't the most optimal choice for Yu Jing as a big guy.
A old list for example ( modded to go without japanese troops xd):
Guijia and Co Cuadrantes──────────────────────────────────────────────────GRUPO 1 10 GŪIJIĂ Ametralladora MULTI, Lanzallamas Pesado / Arma CC AP. (2 | 88) PILOTO GŪIJIĂ Lanzallamas Ligero / Pistola, Cuchillo. () ZHANSHI Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 11) ZHANSHI Teniente Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 11) MECA-INGENIERO Fusil Combi, Cargas-D / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 15) Yaókòng CHAĪYÌ Pulso Flash, Sniffer / Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 8) PANGGULING (Barreminas, Repetidor) Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 8) PANGGULING (Barreminas, Repetidor) Pulso Eléctrico. (0 | 8) ZHANSHI Hacker (Disp. de Hacker) Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 19) XI ZHUANG Fusil Combi + Lanzallamas Lig. MadTraps / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 20)GRUPO 2 4 2 2 Yaókòng HÙSÒNG Ametralladora / Pulso Eléctrico. (1 | 25) GŬILÁNG (Minador) Fusil Combi, Minas Antipersona / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0.5 | 26) ZHANSHI Fusil Combi / Pistola, Cuchillo. (0 | 11) MAYOR LUNAH Fusil de Francotirador Viral / Pistola, Cuchillo. (1.5 | 29) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Granadas de Humo / Pistola, Arma CC Shock. (0 | 5) SHAOLIN Chain Rifle, Granadas de Humo / Pistola, Arma CC Shock. (0 | 5) 5.5 CAP | 300 PuntosAbrir en Infinity Army

Just guijia to kill stuff and more or less rest provide orders and camp control. Lunah ( or knauf or any sniper) are gere just to face that annoyimi aro ssileile launchers ( plus Lunah is a "visor".

The other option is to play with 10 orders ( in missions like supplies is far better beacuse guilangs and ninjas cost too much combined with a Guijia). If you played the O-Yoroi i assume you know how to run a tag in game, the main difference between O-Yo and guijia are the koalas but you can just cover it with other troops.

PS: supresion fire on cover always or hide him in you deploy zone every end of your active turn.

PS2: i avoided kuang shis beacuse if it's wierd to use a main Battle tag on a Spec op, using it with some political prisioner zombies is even worse xd

 

On a related note, I've started moving away from the Pangolins as order generating pieces. Them being unarmed, REM and S4 means they are very difficult to hide and even more difficult to keep alive. Simply put, unless terrain is made to accommodate for them they are way too expensive.

A Flash Pulse would work a long way to make them okay, like the CA equivalents do

@krossaks Lunah isn't a visor, not even close. Marksmanship LX doesn't work like a Visor for any of the tasks that you need a visor for and none of her other abilities negate defensive bonuses.

 

I know but with guijia in camp is just a matter of having enought points. The sniper is to fight against missile launchers blackjacks and other thinks that can outrage the guijia, and the Rui Shi has worse ranges that the Tag. Marksmanship LX is situacional but against a TO can work ( i know it's subomptimal as hell but hey the alernative is a Bao Sniper xd).

Respect to remote cheerleaders, this list was full of kietosus but now you can only go with kuang or remotes.

With the recent changes ( Uprising etc) maybe the best way to run a Guijia is on a 10 order list.

 

Snipers in general does a good job at suppressing enemy ARO pieces, and don't forget that the Guilang sniper exists and has MSV1 and since we're talking vanilla we also have Knauf who trades Camo for Mimetism and +2 BS, but keeps MSV1.

I would actually pick two snipers, and if you pick Lunah make sure I have a source of Nimbus (it requires piecing together information and possibly a lot of arguing, but she should be able to use Marksmanship LX through Nimbus, and at proper range be able to shoot once at a TR REM for -15 MOD hitting on 18, which is nice if they manage to put Marksmanship on the REM).

 

No, our data says you didn't use those JSA troops.

 

Wait, I thought the last time it came up on the old forums, Wartrader and others decided that MLX can't be used with Nimbus?

 

When read in English. Which also makes Marksmanship LX barely situational and mostly useless. (And no, it wasn't a definite conclusion, it was a probable conclusion)
When read in Spanish, you are afforded more text and explanation of purpose.

 

How would you buff/change the guijia so it gets used more

 

HGL would be a pretty easy way to do it, that would carve out a completely new niche for the thing. Primarily though it needs better support that keeps enemy aggression in check (and a better engineer would be nice too). You could change it in any number of ways, but the roster around it is the big issue both in terms of premium HI being harsh competition and Yu Jing not having great support for a TAG.

 

Didn't it have an X-Visor in N2?

 

No, it didn't.

 

It used to have a HGL (to my poor memory), then it got removed with a bunch of other TAGs when the weapon got buffed.

 

Give her Natural Born Warrior for some extra points, with her CC19 and AP weapon it should be more than enough to make her a distinct TAG, and it would negate the Berserker's "we won't FtF" option so a Domaru or Tanko can't one shot the Guijia with the risk of just losing a wound.

Giving her Veteran N1 could also be an option, to negate the Isolated option for the Lt profile (it's a TAG, it can still be posessed and Carbonite'd).

Yeah, she will cost more (maybe a little more, maybe up to 10 points, dunno), but it would certainly get more use and be a distinct foil against JSA's "fail and die" tactic of the Domaru/Tanko melee.

 

Or just make it cheaper to be able of play it in a +10 funtional order list. But natural born warrior should be a good idea ( then some times you could think in using that gigantic annoying usless sword)

 

And I think it also grants stealth, so, second stealthy non-camo TAG in the game...