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Any advice against Hassassin Bahram?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by madcore, Feb 25, 2019.

  1. ambisinister

    ambisinister Broken Zoetrope

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    You're absolutely right. I was confusing it with cybermask!
     
  2. oldGregg

    oldGregg Well-Known Member

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    Which, for the OP, is another great reason to bring Bao.
     
  3. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    A thing about MSV2 ARO pieces that (probably?) wasn't specifically pointed out here. Generally you don't want to leave them in a position where they can have LoF to something that isn't a smoke tosser advancing to your position. In your reactive turn an MSV2 piece is barely different from some random 7 points speedbump when being shot at, and so ideally you want them watching lanes where Ghazis can approach, but not being where opponent's Core can easily get a view on it and delete with linked HMG or something. It's sorta important because it usually isn't very hard to deploy Impetuous in a way that allows them to stay in total cover until other models in the army can activate.

    It really depends on meta. Here where I live pretty much any Fireteam HB has is considered pointless except Ghulam (because can't go wrong with cheap link with reasonable access to profiles) and maybe Asawira, but that one is mostly because other pieces HB has struggle with what they do even more. Do note that their shortcomings are often overlooked because there are Ghazis that can cover them as they advance if mission requires it.

    Although I must admit that since it's not uncommon at all to have a lot of mimetism on the table these days, HB players may end up being forced to use Govads. Muyibs can still be encountered in LI and in some missions though, simply because there's very little in HB that can be adequate at sector control.

    Also note that Ghulam also have LGL profile and it's just 1 BS less than Muyib's one. Apparently having a 8-16" Spec.firing link that will have to advance into the middle, then make a few shots with remaining orders that do basically nothing and then proceed to neatly die right after that losing 80-120 points in the process is a big deal to watch out for accordingly to this thread, so there's that.
    But then again, not clustering helps because Spec.fire is not the only way templates can be applied to you.

    It's worth noting that despite everything I've said above, this is still Infinity where everything is dangerous when you don't pay attention, and blunt instrument with some bonuses is still something that will shatter glass it's applied to.

    Honestly, Vanilla is more dangerous in general. HB's strongest points are fully accessible in Vanilla, and HB trades some neat pieces and synergies for dubious links... Which are still links though, for what it's worth.
     
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  4. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Lol no. Even ISS don't touch Bao, and they can link the buggers.
     
  5. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    You can cover your Rui Shi by also taking a Lu Duan, and let them appear to be 4 Rui Shi. That might trouble your opponent's approach plans, and make him wasted orders to shoot at holoechos placed as ARO pieces. And the Lu Duan has nor only Holo2, but also MSV1 (vs mimetism), a MK12 and a Heavy Flamethrower - for 0 SWC.
     
  6. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    Good luck with the deployment of your 4 55mm markers in coherency of each other. :wink:
     
  7. Barrogh

    Barrogh Well-Known Member

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    Nevermind.
     
  8. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    You're right! I might have played that all wrong the whole time.
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    Coherency. The Holoechoes must be in Coherency of another Holoecho, regardless who is the real Holoprojector L2 bearer. For example, one of the Holoechoes must have at least one of the other two Holoechoes in its ZoC.
     
  9. locksmith

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    Your first game against jammers and fidays? Real Advice?

    Plan on time for 2 games. let him go hog wild on you in the first game, but look really closely at where and how mutts and fidays are successful, and in your second game, iterate your deployment. Fidays can be stymied or even neutralized by deploying well. (Easier said than done)

    List wise, nothing messes with mutts and fidays like cheap disposable templates (Shaolin and Kuang shis)

    Edit: don't be afraid to utilize your minelayers in your own deployment zone. Fidays and mines do. not. get. along.