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Anathematics Lt Questions

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by Tongfa, May 10, 2018.

  1. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    Hello fellow ayys,

    Just wanted to pick your collective brains and ask a couple questions about the Anathematic Lt:

    1. If he is your Lt, can he deploy in Hidden TO Deployment and not put the army in LoL b/c of MNEMONICA? Or does being in Hidden TO Deployment not count as a Null State.

    2. What are your nightmares when you play the Anathematic - what units/situations do you just shiver sending him up against?

    3. Also, can I use his S6 to block LOS to my other squisher units, even if he is in a Camo (not TO) state?

    Thanks in advance.

    Glory to the Combined.
     
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  2. toadchild

    toadchild Premeasure

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    Hi! I'll try to answer your questions as best as I am able.

    1. You can deploy in Hidden Deployment, but you'll still be in Loss of Lieutenant. You are indeed correct that Hidden Deployment is not a null state. Furthermore, you'll want to review G: Mnemonica - when you jump to another host, you have to remove the original body as though it were dead. So it's not something that you would want to trigger at the start of the first turn in any case.

    2. The Lieutenant Anathematic is limited to a rifle-range weapon; the worst possible opponent is something with MSV 2, in a fireteam, and a longer ranged weapon. MSV lets it ignore the TO, a fireteam for 4 or more members grants 6th sense to ignore surprise shot, and the extra burst and longer weapon range mean that it's probably winning the face to face roll.

    3. Models block line of sight, but camo markers do not. So you can only block LoF when you aren't in a marker state.
     
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  3. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    As Toadchild said, I will just add:

    There is no way to avoid LoL if your Lt is not present in the table, aside from certain ITS missions with "reinforced tactical link - ignore loss of Lt" like Decapitation (please do notice that those missions have been changed in wording from the last ITS so you need to always have a Lt, as model or marker, present on the table).
    Mnemonica can be triggered by killing your Lt, and Chain of Command "takes effect" only when you check if your Lt is on a Null State. That means the hacking program Oblivion (hacker+, Assault Hacking Device) IS the way to put you on LoL, by slapping the Isolated state to a valid, hackable target (HI, TAG, REM... or enemy Hacker).
    Also mutta Wiah's and their Jammers, and ANY E/M or E/M2 ammo (beware the basic, 6 points Morlock).

    Asura or specially Charontid if facing another vanilla CA. Both have MSV3 (inmunne to surprise shot, and auto-discover by spending a short movement order) and will have some smoker nearby (and those smokers WILL double as cheap, expendable melee bodyguards). The Asura will fire from inside the Plasma Rifle's range (since they mostly share range), but behind cover and smoke and BS 14 means she will, in active and assuming both in cover, shoot 3-4 bullets at 8-11 (range), while the Anathematic can return fire at 1-3 (again, depending on range) or dodge at 13 (which is what you might want to do). The Charontid, however, tends to go with HMG on the MSV3 profile, which means he will fish for shooting B4 at 11 against B1 at 1 from the Anathematic.

    Then, midfield Hidden Deployment AHD troops can ruin your day: you move the Charontid onto its preferred range, and suddenly after the move, with an enemy on your sight, a TO pops up, forcing you to trust either your BTS6 or your ARM5... if it's your Lt, and in cover, you will eat the ARM roll and do a Reset as the second short order.

    Also Mutta Wiah's and their Jammers
    , which is essentially a Oblivion hacking program that can target any enemy miniature but does not make those broken f**kers hackable (5 points each, smoke, chain rifle, E/M "chain rifle", Jammer, gun, Dogged...). The melee enemy troops are less dangerous because they don't have a Willpower of 15 to discover/intuitive you...

    Yes, if uncamoed (Camo markers do not block Line of Fire) and not activated (units activated on that order do not block LoF). Anyway, you don't want to place any troop close enough to your big, fat bullseye troop, because of template weapons, and you can assume all flamers will be pointing at your Anathematic, specially since they have no way of knowing (until "the reveal") that it's one and not a Sphinx if you hide more troops somehow (Holoprojectors, TO troops, AD troops...).

    So short answer: you don't want to hide troops behind the Anathematic.
     
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  4. Styx

    Styx Cat.IE~~

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    1.- Only on marker state to don't get LoLt. Nemonica works only when he is going to unconcious state, then you bring left 80pts in to your army box.

    2.- A few situations like:
    .Hacking attacks when you can't cover him with Fairy Dust program for himself against Killer hackers, but this isn't the problem... the real problem are the Maestro hack program, only from Bit&Kiss, Kerr-Nau and a Danavas hacker+ (on DanavasH+, you can counter her with Fairy Dust) but... the danger stuff are the Maestro program.
    .MVS2: with high burst or some damage bonus. Multi HMG (Maruts), Fuerbach or K1 sniper(Teucer), ML (Agema).
    .MVS3: only for that free discover and countering the suprise attacks. Then Asuras, Charontids and Aquilas guard. Multi rifles or plasma ammo.
    .Sixth sense skills or 5minlikn bonus with +3BS and sixth sense.
    .Deployment equipment like deployable repeaters countering your sthealth or monofilament mines bcs... well its monofilament.
    .Enemy hidden deployment, to counter your full entire order when you using to re-camo and get free ARO.
    .Especulative fire with E/M ammo, like hand grenades from Domarus and the Jammer on intuitive fire from Muttawa.

    And all the flamethrowers too, if you can survive from the attack, you losing TO state and bring down to mimetism.

    3.- Yes, you can use the s6 to cover the lower silouettes, but you need the Anathematic on discovered state, not from a marker state. But this is a dangerous play.


    But anyway... that Anathematics profile are cool and strong stuffs, strong hacker, high WIP, marker state, TO cammo and the best thing... Plasma rifle as a main weapons profile, also monofilament CCW to use on CC with CC17 are nice to go attack in active turn against TAGS or any profile without CC skills and a Sepsitor especial profile.
     
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  5. Sabin76

    Sabin76 Well-Known Member

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    I thought it was only moving troopers that did not block LoF?
     
  6. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Troops declaring a Movement (jump, climb, moving, engage, dodge...) do not obstruct LoF on their trajectory (wiki literal). The problem is that, once you go down in the LoF wiki page there is a FAQ that...

    This might point to "any Movement-cathegorized" short order, since it is assuming that the coordinated troops will do at least one short movement order, but cares nothing about it being Discover, for example *shrug*

    We play it as activation for simplicity purposes, so nobody leaves troops behind another the enemy might want to target instead of the big one in front.

    Only if the Anathematic is using the Hacker profile (fairly common, though, since it is a VERY attractive one. Kinda bummer the Hac Tao has a KHD profile and this dude does not). And Scylla has it too in her KHD, so bottom line: CA and Aleph have all hackers that can send your hacker to Unconscious directly.

    You don't get "stealth" against the Repeater, but the repeater has no ARO option. You get Stealth against the enemy hackers, however, as long as you fulfill Stealth rules (only move!). Mines are a problem, however, and very nasty since they only don't go Boom against IMP markers, everything else is fair game.

    I'd say that blade is for TAG-hunting, O-Yoroi aside, and maybe some HI-hunting. Nothing with more than CC 14-15, and avoid Berserker enemies as a matter of principle (sure, the Krakot is not that dangerous. The CCW E/M Domaru, Ajax, and things like that surely are!).
    Also, remember that none of the Anathematic CCW options are Anti-Material, so he's not a good fit for the PAC-blowing mission.
     
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  7. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    Thanks for all the detailed responses guys - much appreciated :)
     
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