Yeah, but how much supply and how far along on the detection tech is Ariadna. Just because stealth is good doesn't mean no advancements have been made in detection. So, is the base fully operational or are they smuggling in a pickup truck worth of supplies and personnel at a time? Would a TAK atmospherical airstrike be able to take it out or have they managed to get advanced materiel there to protect against Ariadna correcting the situation? Are Yu Jing helping Ariadna out in detection and interference to mess with PanO by proxy?
I disagree. with your conclusions, because while I agree that Stealth tech will be better than what we have today, you are assuming that no race exists between detection and stealth. That is false assumption, two opposed systems have always be slightly apart of one another in terms of which is leading (and they change positions every once in a while). Also you are making a false transition, implying that TO camo existing for vehicles means it can be used for fast, burning landing shuttles making planetfall at top speeds. At those temperatures, even assuming that TO works (and has not been burned, and whatevs) the shuttle will still have a fireball all around itself. So unless we go the Star Trek "camo bubble" way, no luck. Certainly, this is not the end of the discussion. And even if it were, PanO is suddenly occupying foreign soil illegally, risking a war with YJ and/or Ariadna, and positioning itself as the next in the list of targets to "be taken down a peg".
You guys are arguing in sci-fi terms about something that will be written accordingly to what plot demands, IMHO.
Getting lost in all this really is the most important reality: Ariadna does not control Dawn. They are not in any way a planetary government, they are a power with control of a large portion of a single (super)continent, with the rest of that continent administered by O-12 because at the end of the Commercial Conflicts Ariadna could not itself claim the entire thing. O-12 is in a holding action until the locals manage to accomplish that task, while all the other Teseum-and-antipode-rich island-continents on the planet are completely up for grabs (with the various Sphere powers and corporations grabbing as much as they can as we speak), Ariadna doesn't have authority there because its claim to the whole planet is not recognized de jure and cannot be exercised de facto. PanO doesn't have to bother with stealth. It doesn't have to hide. It can flagrantly land troops while broadcasting 'F*** YOU RODINA' on loop over all frequencies. Detection technologies vs stealth technologies, expense vs subterfuge, is all entirely irrelevant since Mat' can't stop them, it would be like Taipei in 1980 trying to control flights into Ulaanbataar, all they can do is yell.
Yep, it is very difficult to hold ALL of Your Planet when the TOTAL population of Ariadna is 8,5 Millions of Humanoids (so comprising Wulvers and Dogwarriors. . .!!). . . On the other hand the ENTIRE OFFICIAL CENSUS of the Antipode Population is 25 Millions of Adults and Young Adults (these are Stats taken from the Dawn Planetary infos of the Modiphius R.P.G. !!). . . . .!!! I don't know if those comprises ALSO the "Domesticated Antipodes" (so the Pheromone-Controlled Packs, a complete "Trinity" and so as clever and resourceful as a Standard Human AND the "Single Smart Dog" employed by the Devil Dogs "K9 Teams" or perticularly powerful and strong-willed Individuals like Colonel Voronin). . . Also I doubt that the Census is 100% Accurate, but based to Aerial Reconnaissance of known Tribal Villages and Statistical Projection rather than "Poll Drones" entering any frickin Antipode Cave to count the last litter of pups. . . And let's NOT forget that the Megafauna of Planet Dawn is made of Apex Predators that, still animals, adapted to compete with the Ariadnan TRUE Natives and that are devastatingly effective. . . This could give some edge to Pan-Oceanian "Invasors" as their Varuna-Developement "Seatech" will give some serious tactical advantages to their Off-Shore and Deep-Sea Mining Operations (I could remember that "Free Antipodes" does not like overmuch Swimming and Boating, much like the Australian Deserts Aboriginals for whom the "Ocean" is Taboo somehow !!). . . Instead I think that the "Independant Corps" and Yujing held stuff will be very similar to the ones depicted in the Avatar Movie by James Cameron, with Guijias acting as the Movie's Exosuits and Tiger Soldiers instead of Colonel Quatritch "Colonial Marines". . . . .!!! I think that the sympathic "New Settlers" from Japan will have their hands full of "Hengeyokai Beasts" when building nice Shinto Portals and Nihonjin Pagodas all around their new "Promised Land of Kurage Station". . . . . . . . . Obviously this will also GLOSS on the fact that "Tohaa Illuminati" Hidden Monitoring Stations are present on Dawn as it was THEIR FUCKING FAILED Uplifting Project that transformed what was a "Simple Local Canine" into what could be a Starcraft Zerg Horde or a Warhammer 40.000 Tyranid Swarm of Thermagants. . . . .
Some of us would not be here if the setting were a mish-mash of space magic. The Warp is great where it is and not here, thank you. According to O-12... I'd say you are mistaken. Ariadna IS a recognized nation on Humanity, with Dawn as its property. How comes YJ has an island there can be explained because YJ casted the decisive vote to approve such measure, and it could be the cost of its support, but gives no legal grounds for neither PanO NOR JSA armed, unauthorized presence there.
Ariadna IS a recognized nation, yes, but nation status does not equal control of a planet, with Ariadna's elevation to major power status explicitly stating they could only claim ownership over the portion of Dawn they currently occupied.
Well they are a recognised major power that controls a big part of their planet, I say they count as a planetary government, much more than Japanese for example who hold some minor land on several planets.
Granted that the human residents of the planet Ariadna do not control the entire planet. That does NOT mean that they are not tracking everything in the area around their planet. Not least of which is to prevent a re-flash of the Commercial Conflicts. I'd like for the plot to be handled in a consistent way that keeps track of the unintended consequences of the technology and decisions, thank you very much. @AdmiralJCJF It's one thing to TO camo a car or even an airplane that can't leave the atmosphere. The Space Shuttle needed to be repainted after every landing because re-entry burned the paint off. The plasma sheath is literally as hot as a plasma cutting torch, and 'mere' flamethrowers are hot enough to burn TO camo off of someone. The plasma sheath is more than 10x hotter than the flames that will destroy your TO camo.
Disingenuous. Nobody ever claimed that the JSA are a planetary government, so saying the Mary-sue primitives are more of a planetary government is just bullshit.
He wasn't claiming anyone said the JSA were a planetary government. He was just making a comparison. Please stop trying to read a personal attack into everything Psychoticstorm writes.
I was simply making the point that it’s a false comparison; “they’re more of a planetary government than this other thing which nobody ever claimed was a planetary government, so they’re a legitimate planetary government” doesn’t hold up to any scrutiny. Nobody on Dawn is a planetary government, regardless of what CB’s white-knight-in-chief says. As for reading a personal attack into @psychoticstorm’s posts, he still hasn’t retracted his statement that anybody who doesn’t think the Uprising fluff is amazing is a retard, so what else is anybody supposed to think?
Really? That’s the clear implication. You still stand by it, even now, by saying it’s what I want to read with no acknowledgement that it’s possible to read it that way.
And your splenetic logorrhea does little to dispel the impression of something chueco, regardless of if it’s said by a white knight or fan or whoe’er the case might be...
Well, to clarify my assertion because we may be getting bogged down in differing definitions, lets look at the real world... is the United States of America a planetary government? Because its political, economic, and military control of Earth is superior to that of Ariadna on Dawn. They are both governments, on a planet. But there is a vast gulf between that and being a 'planetary government', if you define that the way I do as 'a government exercising sovereignty over a planet'. If you don't define it that way, if you hold that a planetary government is a government that exists on a planet, then Ariadna is a planetary government I will absolutely grant you. But so is Nauru, so is Luxembourg! That being said, I'm not arguing against @Section9 here, Ariadna is absolutely monitoring everything it can on the planet. Its just that, without ability to use that information in legitimately exercising sovereign power, PanO doesn't have to care if the locals know they're landing troops or not. But the establishment of the PanOceanian base here isn't even portrayed as some sort of surprise coup, its actually presented as a loss. PanOceania establishes air forces on Japanese secessionist airbases. Yu Jing successfully attacks to disrupt and destroy those bases. To avoid destruction, PanO relocates its airbases to a long-abandoned airbase complex PanOc-23, avoiding the Yu Jing advance.
