1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Aleph N4 changes

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Bard, Sep 25, 2020.

  1. Bard

    Bard Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2018
    Messages:
    27
    Likes Received:
    7
    I thought it might be useful to make a thread with a list of all changes in N4 for Aleph. Feel free to post everything else you find out, I'll try to compile everything in the first post if I have the time)

    Most things got cheaper for all armies, I'm noting just SWC changes, huge discounts and units that got more expensive)

    REM:
    In general it seems that REM can no go prone, so last patch finally fixed Dakini knees. They all seem to have got Shock Immunity and Courage spelled out in the profile, but iirc they already had them.

    Achilles:

    Got a 0.5SWC discount
    Got Immunity (Shock)
    Got Dodge +5cm
    Got NO FRENZY (bug?)
    Got Courage
    Got Fireteam Duo?

    Achilles v2
    Huge discount 13pt on 2 profiles, 11pt and 0.5swc on the other two
    Got Shock Immunity
    Got AP spitfire instead of Spitfire
    Got Panzerfaust instead of D.E.P.

    Acmon: Missing

    Agema: Missing

    Ajax is no more (for now hopefully) RIP my beloved chunky boi.

    Andromeda
    Got S4 (yes, was already S4 by the end of N3, but it's sort of new, still no clue on how to fix the mini)
    Got +1 CC yay
    Got +1 Damage on CC (still pretty low, but welcome)
    Got Forward Deployment 20cm by default
    Got Shock Immunity
    Got 2 Infiltration +3 profiles

    Apsaras:
    G:Jumper LZ changed completely, need to check the rules, according to the posts below:
    - Can't jump anymore from one REM to another
    - Can stack with supportware

    Atalanta:
    BS went from 14 to 15
    CC went from 14 to 15 (why?)
    Mov went from 10-5 to 10-10
    Spotter increases Discover by +3 ONLY (no BS, so BS goes to 17 to 15)
    Got Shock on all attacks
    Got Shock Immunity
    Got Marksmanship (Ignores cover)
    Total Reaction profile

    Arjuna:
    Got a worse way to select profiles compared to old army

    Asura:
    Got Shock Immunity
    Got +2 CC to a nice 20
    Got Courage
    HD+ Trinity (+2 Dam) instead of HD+ Redrum
    Lost combi-rifle profiles, including the Hacker Liutenant option :(
    Got a Spitfire Lt. profile

    Dactyls: Hopefully coming next week.

    Danavas:

    Lost AHD Profile (as AHD doesn't exist anymore)
    Got Oblivion +1B
    Lost Maestro

    Dakini:
    Got KNEES! Can go prone now!
    Everything else is the same.

    Daleth
    Got 13 CC instead of 8

    Dart:
    Got +1 CC
    Got Stealth
    Lost Viral Tactical Bow on Shock Mines profile (only Tactical Bow now)

    Dasyus:
    Since fixing units by making it better doesn't work on Aleph most of the time, now it's useful because they removed Hidden Deployment to the Proxy.
    AHD profile converted to HD, lost Nanopuilser in the trade.
    Lost Liutenant profile
    Lost Combi Rifle profile
    Lost Nanopulser on Boarding Shotgun profile (even tho it's more expensive now)

    Deva
    Got +1CC
    Got Haris on all profiles,
    Got Number 2 on all profiles
    Lost Sensor but kept Triangulated Fire on a Lieutenant profile
    Got a KHD profile instead of AHD Upgrade Lightening
    Lost Nanopulser on that profile
    Got 13 CC on Devabot

    Diomedes:
    Basically copy-pasted, no changes

    Drakios: MIA

    Ekdromoi:
    No frenzy here too, weird.
    Lost Hacker profile :( AHD is no more, but I hoped for an alternate hacker profile like all other units

    Eudoros: MIA

    Garuda:
    Useless +5 CC that all units at 8 CC got
    Lost HMG profile
    Combi Rifle profile got Flash Pulse and Forward Observer

    Hector:
    Got Courage
    Got Immunity Shock
    Lost Stun Grenades
    Got Grenades
    Got a 0.5swc and 6-7pt discount
    Got Lieutenant +1 Order

    Hippolyta: MIA

    Lamedh:
    Lost Multiterrain
    Lost Sniffer
    The usual CC 8 to 13

    Machaon:
    Lost Kinematika
    Lost ODD, hopefully a mistake

    Marut:
    Incredible piece of good news for a change!
    21 points discount!
    -1.5 and -1 SWC discount!
    It finally has the cost it should have had all along!
    Something tells me all TAGs got a 20ish point discount and Marut is still absolutely overpriced as a TAG, but I don't want to check now.

    Myrmidons:
    Got more expensive
    Boarding Shotgun profile lost Nanopulser

    Nagas:
    Pretty much the same, AHD converted to HD. Useless +1CC

    Netrods:
    Now it's just a trooper, no special rule.

    Nesaie Alke:
    Nothing changed at all, hoped for a SWC discount or better profile, but nothing.

    Parvati:
    New unit, a Sophotect on steroids, heals 2W, repairs at 18, SMG at +1B, Dodge +5, lots of nice things.

    Patroclus: MIA

    Penthesilea:
    Got Immunity (Shock)
    Got +1 CC
    Lost the whole dimounted profile, but got TWO mounted profiles! (bug)
    Got Dodge (+5cm)
    Lost Contender (not that it was ever useful)
    Got +1B on Nanopulser!

    Phoenix: MIA

    Posthumans:
    Lost the ability to "save" the order in an AI Beacon anymore.
    Mk1 Engie and Doc got more expensive
    Mk2 Got more expensive, lost Nanopulser, lost Hidden Deployment, got Multiterrain, AHD converted to HD
    Mk3 Got Ap Spitfire and SWC discount
    Mk4 Got SWC discount
    Mk5 with Mk12 Got triangulated fire, lost nanopulser
    Mk5 with SMG Got flash pulse, Lost Nanopulser, now costs 0.5 SWC more

    Probots:
    Got 10pt discount on Evo Hacker
    Got 13 CC

    Rudras:
    Got Dodge (+2.5cm)
    Got Heavy Pistol on all profiles
    Got +1 Damage on Red Fury and Multi Rifle
    K1 Markasman has been changed for K1 Sniper, better for range since it now has an Heavy Pistol, but -1 Burst hurts a lot.

    Samekh
    Got 13 CC

    Scylla my poor vanilla auto-include is missing too

    Shakti:
    Profile looks kind of bugged now.
    Got KHD Upgrade Trinity (+1 Damage) on all profiles, but one of the two profile is not an hacker...
    Movement is 15-5 now, instead of 10-10
    Got Number 2, Veteran and Shock Immunity
    Got Fireteam Haris
    CC +2 to 18, might have some hope against a melee unit
    Slightly more expensive (Is this a CC tax? are we YuJing now?)

    Shukras:
    Got Nanopulser on Boarding Shotgun profile
    Got Discover +3
    Biometric Visor L2 is now Biometric Visor, not sure if due to rule changes or nerf.

    Sophotects:
    Got Courage

    Teucer Missing

    Thamyris Missing

    Thorakites:
    Everyone has 360° Visor

    Thrasymedes:
    Lost Nanopulser
    Lost Stun Grenades
    Got Zapper
    Fireteam Profile now costs 0.5 SWC
    Infiltrator Profile more expensive

    Trisha N33

    New Engineer, nothing special, it's an engineer.

    Yadu:
    Got +1 CC
    Got Courage
    Got Shock Immunity
    Got Number 2 on all profiles
    Got Haris on all profiles
    Got HD Upgrade Carbonite +1 Dam instead of AHD Upgrade Stop
    Forward Observer Profile has Multi Rifle instead of Combi

    Yudbots
    Got 11 CC, up from 8

    Zayin:
    Useless +5 CC, everything else is the same.

    List is complete as of the state of the army in 26 Sept. Will try to remember to update when ASS comes out :D
    After this I plan to check the rules to see what changes impact Alpeh.
     
    #1 Bard, Sep 25, 2020
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2020
    Lareon likes this.
  2. Mune

    Mune New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2018
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    2
    Looks like you cant place rem driver on another model. (At least i cant find it in the rulebook) this kinda kills dakini/apsara for me.
     
  3. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    3,799
    Likes Received:
    8,146

    upload_2020-9-25_14-21-9.png

    OSS changes:

    Danavas:
    No AHD option, HD+ with Upgrade: Oblivion (+1B)

    Shukras:
    Buffed by changes to Strategos, got Discover (+3)

    Devas: Are Wildcards now, HD with Combi, KHD with BS

    Posthumans: Balanced for the better. Mk1 a bit more pricy, Mk2 lost Hidden Deployment (might be a bug), Mk3 got AP Spitfire, Mk5 FO costs 0.5/13, Mk5 with Mk12 got Triangulated Fire instead of MMLX.

    Sforza:
    Got FTO loadout counting as ABH

    Andromeda: Got MA3, CC Attack (+1 Dam), Immunity (Shock), Guardian buffs her considerably, too.

    Parvati: Is a Sophotect on steroids, and a Wildcard.

    Yadu/Shakti: All Yadu have now Duo, Haris, and Number 2. Shakti's Trinity has (+1 Dam).

    Asuras: Aside from previous spoilers - hackers got Upgrade: Trinity (+2 Dam)

    Marut: Got Gizmokit (like most TAGs, I think), and Strategos L2 is now a bit different.

    Netrods: Are Veteran now :D

    EVO Probot: Changed due to changes to hacking.

    Rudras: Dodge (+1"), Wildcard, K1 Sniper instead of K1 Marksman, Red Fury and MRifle got (+1 Dam).

    Nagas: Additional BS loadout without Minelayer, no basic Combi loadout (there was no reason not to take FO, anyway). Monomines are still in.

    Dasyus: Same as with Nagas, Combi only with FO.

    I'm not counting minor point changes, minor CC changes, etc. All AHDs are HDs now, of course.
     
    #3 Stiopa, Sep 25, 2020
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2020
  4. Mune

    Mune New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2018
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    2
    Yeah, got that. But it looks like it is fixed to the model. So no swapping between lets say Dakini MSR/HMG.
     
  5. Devil_Tiger

    Devil_Tiger Your Friendly Neighborhood Asura

    Joined:
    May 3, 2018
    Messages:
    151
    Likes Received:
    390
    Is Remdriver still incompatible with assisted fire and enhanced reaction though? It doesn't seem like it is.
     
  6. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
    Infinity Rules Staff Warcor

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2017
    Messages:
    7,029
    Likes Received:
    14,355
    That's correct, which means that it's now appropriately costed.
     
    Dragonstriker likes this.
  7. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
    Infinity Rules Staff Warcor

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2017
    Messages:
    7,029
    Likes Received:
    14,355
    It's not a Hacking Program, so the rules for Supportware don't apply.
     
    Dragonstriker likes this.
  8. Hiereth

    Hiereth AI Artichoke

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    396
    Likes Received:
    512
    Rudras also had their K1 Marksman replace with a K1 Sniper, awful trade tbh.
    But proper wildcard which does some GREAT stuff.
     
    El tito Zylito likes this.
  9. RolandTHTG

    RolandTHTG Still wandering through the Night

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2019
    Messages:
    205
    Likes Received:
    252
    Notes on what I noticed For OSS:
    Asuras: cleaned up, Hacker LT is LT2, and got Trinity +2 dmg as upgrade, is very nice. EDIT: SWC discount on the LT2 SWC versions
    Dasyus: cheaper, AHD is now KHD, no LT profile
    Deva: Now Wildcard, now all Haris & Number 2, AHD became KHD
    Garuda: no more HMG, but cheaper and combi rifle version is a forward observer specialist
    Lamdas and Probots now cheaper
    Posthumans: Mk 1: Doctor and engineer now more expensive. Mk2: more expensive, No longer have hidden Deployment. Mk3 now has AP spitfire, might be worth it now. Mk4 SWC discount, Mk5 FO more expensive, no longer has nanopulsar
    Shakti: +1 dmg Trinity, Number2
    CSU: nanopulsar versions now have +1 Burst
    Trisha now wildcard
    Rudras: now wildcard, K1 version now sniper instead of marksman rifle, other main guns get +1 DMG
    Andromeda now cleaned up
    Danavas, only one version, has oblivion +1 burst
    Yadus: cleaned up, all Haris & Number2, Hacker now regular with +1damage carbonite
    Dart: Bioimmune now just shock immune, Mine version has a regular bow, not viral like the EM grenade profile
    Apsara: unlike other REMDrivers, has set stats instead of bonuses, Not worth it for a Rudras in my opinion
    Now we also have Parvati as a 2W wildcard, might be worth it at 38 pts.

    Edit: For Vanilla, the Rem Racers are tempting. Adding armor or damage to a REM? tasty
     
    #9 RolandTHTG, Sep 25, 2020
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2020
    Stiopa likes this.
  10. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    3,799
    Likes Received:
    8,146
    I think Apsara might still be worth it for Dakini fireteam. If you expect facing Impetous troops you won't get much use out of Marksmanship anyway.
     
  11. Hiereth

    Hiereth AI Artichoke

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    396
    Likes Received:
    512
    Hector is a big up for me, especially while half of Achilles is broken?
    +1 CC
    base profiles down 6/7 points
    LT profiles are Strategos L1 and +1 LT order, Strategos L1 by itself was buffed and in this case gives two regular orders right?
    Stun grenades replaced with regular grenades, big for the spitfire, seems a little weird for plasma rifle.
    and the usual swc discounts.
     
  12. Devil_Tiger

    Devil_Tiger Your Friendly Neighborhood Asura

    Joined:
    May 3, 2018
    Messages:
    151
    Likes Received:
    390
    Well i meant if your Apsara puts her Remdriver token on a Dakini HMG, nothings stops you from having your EVO bot put Assisted fire on it too right?
     
  13. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
    Infinity Rules Staff Warcor

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2017
    Messages:
    7,029
    Likes Received:
    14,355
    Exactly.
     
    Dragonstriker, Devil_Tiger and Stiopa like this.
  14. Mune

    Mune New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2018
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    2
    ..and then your dakini/apsara goes unconscious and you cant renew the buff.
     
    #14 Mune, Sep 25, 2020
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2020
    El tito Zylito likes this.
  15. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    3,799
    Likes Received:
    8,146
    And BS 13 SMG isn't bad for a backup trooper, especially when it buffs one of your REMs along the way. It's not an exciting unit or skill, but it'll do.
     
  16. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2017
    Messages:
    2,035
    Likes Received:
    2,694
    Apsara is fine, definitively simpler than before.

    Garuda changes are huge - specialist option AND cheaper now. This is so awesome.

    Also awesome: cheaper, better Marut.

    Andromeda being Shock Immune helps a bit, but still meh.

    Parvati being STR2 means it's not overpriced massively. Makes her very interesting - sad that Sophotect didn't get discount then :'(

    Also, don't look at Nomads new REM after you take a look at the Rudra. XD
     
    El tito Zylito likes this.
  17. elmo

    elmo New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2020
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0


    Nope it is value for roll on gizmokit(not her PH). Tags havent gizmokids.
     
  18. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead
    Warcor

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    Messages:
    3,799
    Likes Received:
    8,146
    Ok, thanks for the clarification!
     
  19. Teslarod

    Teslarod The Squeeze has not been Sqouze

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Messages:
    2,207
    Likes Received:
    4,452
    Can we talk about this:
    upload_2020-9-25_17-21-22.png
    vs this:
    upload_2020-9-25_17-20-16.png

    11 cheaper and an AP Spitfire? HOW? Only V2 has Frenzy, okay, but Frenzy didn't get changed as far as I can tell.
    Guess I'm gonna switch from V1 to V2, okay no problem, but HOW? :joy::joy::joy::joy:
     
  20. Hiereth

    Hiereth AI Artichoke

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    396
    Likes Received:
    512
    somehow one was updated and not the other, which is very strange. Put it in the list with Diomedes not changing at all and Machaon getting worse.
     
  • About Us

    We are a company founded in 2001 in Cangas (Spain), and devoted to design and manufacture games and figures. Our main product, Infinity the Game, was born with the ambition to satisfy the most demanding audience, offering the best quality.

     

    Why are we here?

     

    Because we are, first and foremost, players.

  • Quick Navigation

    Open the Quick Navigation