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A Primer on Massed Armour Tactics

Discussion in 'PanOceania' started by daboarder, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. Maksimas

    Maksimas Heavy Infantry Addict Maxim

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    So how are people feeling about double-TAG lists nowadays in the various factions/sectorials that have more than one TAG?
     
  2. WillJoeBeck

    WillJoeBeck New Member

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    I've been running vanilla pan o with Joan and Double Squalo + 2 regular hackers with grenade launchers. Squalos do a great job on ARO. All the grenade launchers let me remove hard to reach hackers and repeaters so my tags can march up the field. It's had a lot of success so far.
     
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  3. SpectralOwl

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    My few games so far have involved an NCA list using an Uhlan and Squalo, it worked quite well thanks to the sheer resilience of the pieces allowing me to be aggressive with them in reactive. I'm yet to play against a Hacking-heavy list yet, however.
     
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  4. AdmiralJCJF

    AdmiralJCJF Heart of the Hyperpower
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    I worry about the order efficiency of Grenade Launchers as a solution.

    But we have a fair bit of hacking to manage locally.
     
  5. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Double Jotums with liang kai and orders rolls over people. There is not a lot that can effectively threaten 2 fairy dusted Jotums with 15-16 orders
     
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  6. costi

    costi New Member

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    What's in the list besides the 3 models? Fusilier link and Fugazi?
     
  7. herod1204

    herod1204 Knight of Santiago

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    I would assume that roughly

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  8. Ruaridh

    Ruaridh Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm needs a way to get fairy dust in there still

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  9. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    GROUP 1 8 / 2 / 1
    JOTUM MULTI Heavy Machine Gun, Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / AP CC Weapon. (1.5 | 87)
    CRABBOT Flash Pulse / CC Weapon. (0 | 0)
    MULEBOT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)
    MACHINIST Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    PALBOT PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    PALBOT PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    FUSILIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 15)
    FUSILIER (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 15)
    AGNES Submachine Gun, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    MULEBOT (Deactivator, Repeater) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 8)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse ( ) / Stun Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    LIANG KAI Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, EXP CC Weapon. (0 | 21)
    GROUP 21
    JOTUM (Lieutenant) MULTI Heavy Machine Gun, Heavy Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / AP CC Weapon. (2.5 | 87)
    CRABBOT Flash Pulse / CC Weapon. (0 | 0)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
    Open in Infinity Army
     
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  10. Tongfa

    Tongfa ULTRA INSTINCT UKR

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    Cheers - very intimidating list. It's like those Mass Greater Exalted Daemons Lists from 40k - just a wall of meat (or steel in this case) that just runs at you.

    1. Does missing a point for a Liaison Officer ever come up?

    2. Since there is only one source of Fairy Dust (EVO) but two Jotums, is the more aggressively positioned Jotum the one fairy dusted, and is the backline Group 2 one (just assuming, maybe you roll out with both idk) just relying on its native BTS?

    3. Do you ever start one of the Jotums in Suppressive?

    4. Do you ever pop the crab bot out, and like when? TAGs are still very unfamiliar tools for me, so I'm still working around when to use the crabbot functionality?

    5. Do you ever feel the need for a KHD instead of the two basic hackers? With the list, KHD might be hard to fit in since your cheapest KHD is a starting non-marker Nokken at 28 points, so I figured it was the two fusi bodies better than one nokken body logic.

    6. More like a your local meta question, but have you seen people roll out with more anti tank in general in N4? Feel like this list very much punishes folks who still are in the HMG/crit meta (If all you have is rifles/non AP machine guns, then when the Jotum is in cover, I don't see an efficient counterplay)

    Personally, I feel like my lists always err on the side of having more anti-tank than anti-personnel, b/c if it can kill a tank it can kill a person. Not sure if that's the best logic but it's worked so far.
     
  11. daboarder

    daboarder Force One Commander
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    Fairy dust applies to ALL units of the chosen type. Both Jotums are rocking the WIP-3 BST9+3 from the program.
    you definitely want to be open to the idea of putting one Jotum in SF, particularly if going second, though they also make good long range AROs, mostly its table dependent.
    I use crabbots a lot for scoring, you can still jump out behind the TAG to prevent AROs, so you effectively have an S7 wall you can put in front of objectives when you need.
    With Fairy Dust on the jotum hackers worry me very very little, my hackers are more insurance for a poor possession roll off ect.
    and yes N4 is very Anti-tank focused, Fuerbachs are the primary weapon so far of the edition and K1 is seriously valuable
     
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