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112 and kazak doctor

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by sorniak, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    More like about changing the profile so they can't use the old minis, but yes they do.
     
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  2. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Well those are 2 different problems then.
     
  3. Randomcallsign

    Randomcallsign Well-Known Member

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    For me the go to comparison is the maverick FO. +1 point is about par everywhere else for a paramedic over a FO but....At least 19/.5 points on a maverick gets you a regular impetuous and an MSV..... To me that's what I was paying the .5 for. On a doctor I just don't see the logic behind the SWC charge. Especially with no impetuous or any form of tools.
     
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  4. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    I mean, I can definitely understand the Montesa complaints. It's ridiculous they didn't even attempt to make it so the model could be used as a dismounted version. :P

    Reeeeeeeeeally unimpressed with this "update".
     
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  5. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    My dude, that’s literally what I wrote. Please read the text you’re quoting.
     
  6. holycannoli

    holycannoli Dancing to Kazak Kalinka

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    Yeah, I can't help but be underwhelmed by the update either. What I was really hoping was the 112 gets a niche and the doc gets some linkable love to not be the odd man (now woman) out. The biker 112 seems pretty pricey for what's just a doctor on a bike. I'd almost rather pay the extra for the Dynamo. Just rely on med darts and decent PH. 9 more points and I save half SWC... and I get to toss mines at people.

    I actually sorta liked the mini too...
     
  7. MATRAKA14

    MATRAKA14 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I'm happy with the profile, he is cheap (for TAK) he is useful and can win matches with smoke + doctor and has a shotgun for exploiting gaps. It fits quite well for 16 regular orders lists with TAK.
    In USARF and vanilla makes less sense but it can help MRRF

    Try to make TAK lists and you will see how it gives some interesting tools to the mix. You can try 0swc hard hitting units to compensate the cost like the strelock T2 or the spetsnaz with shotgun.

    Tartary Army Corps
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8
    LINE KAZAK Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)
    LINE KAZAK Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)
    LINE KAZAK Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 9)
    LINE KAZAK Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 16)
    LINE KAZAK Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 16)
    STRELOK (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    STRELOK Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    RATNIK 2 Molotoks, 2 Panzerfausts / Heavy Pistol, Trench-hammer, Knife. (2 | 54)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]1
    SPETSNAZ (CH: Mimetism, AD: Parachutist) Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 33)
    SPETSNAZ (CH: Ambush Camouflage) HMG / Pistol, CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 38)
    112 (Motorized) Light Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 20)
    STRELOK Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    STRELOK Submachine Gun, Chain-colt, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    DOZER (Traktor Mul Control Device) Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    TRAKTOR MUL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    TRAKTOR MUL (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (0 | 5)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

    Open in Infinity Army
     
  8. kanluwen

    kanluwen Well-Known Member

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    Who cares what he does for TAK?

    Seriously. TAK had no issues. They won't until the next batch of Sectorials and rules. This is how CB operates.
     
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  9. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    It's internal balance I was talking of, sorry for not being precise. As you mentioned, MRRF as is currently is heavy on SWC. As a result, there is a significant opportunity cost for fielding 112. Would this guy cost zero SWC, he would be an auto include in Merovingia, and I dislike autoinclude models in ggeneral.
    On second thought maybe MRRF could got an SWC tax for internal balance like REMs in JSA.
     
  10. Smiler

    Smiler Well-Known Member

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    Or, you know, if you're playing around with SWC anyway... just remove some the old fashioned SWC costs from MRRF? Rather than penalising an already outdated sectorial?
     
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  11. BLOODGOD

    BLOODGOD Vampire Hunter

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    Like Dynamos, he can synch Civilians, for whatever that's worth. Color me pretty unlikely to take him at 1 SWC though.
     
  12. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    You're playing the wrong game, then. CB loves them. Kaeltars, Posthumans, etc...
     
  13. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Especially considering Rescue has a difficult terrain zone, making Ariadna's bikes basically worthless.
     
  14. Kreslack

    Kreslack See you Space Cowboy...

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    Wow what a huge let down. 1 SWC it's not like he has high Ava to warrant needing some limiter.

    He's an expensive wip 13 doc with no cube rerolls. I would think the 8pt hike was enough payment. Others have pointed out the huge amount of coverage everyone else gets for that same price. And those models get cover, possibly mimetism, and no risk of losing your doc on a risky rescue.

    Also no update for the kazak doc is super sad. Guess the new model will just collect dust or be proxy fodder.

    Way to really kill my hype for those nice looking new models CB. :(
     
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  15. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
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    ... Spetsnaz, Chasseurs, Volunteers, Uxia, Van Zant...
     
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  16. coleslaw

    coleslaw Veteran
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    I'm a bit impressed. Playing both Kazaks and USArf I still will not buy this box because of the themes and look of the minis. And that's weird. The paramedic line Kazak can be my doctor, looks quite better! A converted warcor works great as proxy for the 112 (I REALLY don't like the cheesy firefighter style). And any Grunt will look better as a Dozer for the Kazaks than this ugh pose. And why a knife, you have demo charges... And for my USArf, the unmounted biker with binoculars works as a great Dozer.
    Naaa, not happy