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112 and kazak doctor

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by sorniak, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. sorniak

    sorniak Well-Known Member

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    Army builder was updated. TAK sectorial. Does anyone else is sharing my disappointment in motorized 112 (112 on a motor is just ... usual and boring ;(...no impeteous, just higher price for 8-4 move, bigger siluete and smoke lgl and no cover bonuses ;( for 20pkt and 1 swc 0_0) and unchanged kazak doctor profile? Why 112 can be part of link, and kazak doctor - can't? In TAK sectorial you would expect the opposite ;(

    I REALY hope that current kazak doctor is not a final version.
     
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  2. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    Yeah, it's the absolute minimum-effort update. Moto112 just adds a motorcycle and a smoke LGL, but it still makes it another option in sectorials that didn't have bikes at all (MRRF and CHA).

    The Kazak doktor profile, OTOH, is absolute trash and shelf-warmer. A slightly more offensive... non-linkable... doctor, that pays a point more and is available to only one sectorial? With a less characterful mini than a freaking gen1 sculpt? I will be very surprised if it gets taken at all outside of fluff or "I don't have a foot 112" reasons.
     
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  3. tau24

    tau24 New Member

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    But we have bug in the MRRF, the AVA of 112 is 3 instead of two, but when i select tow 112 motorized and one 112 foot the lady say error ?

    Bug ?
     
  4. Ben Kenobi

    Ben Kenobi Well-Known Member

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    The shared ava is persumable hardcode and therefore a copy and paste error from the other sectorials.
     
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  5. Paladin

    Paladin Well-Known Member

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    I am going to use the Kazak Doctor as Specops.
     
  6. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    112 on a bike is 1 SWC !?! WTF ? Are you serious ? O_o

    20 pts for a regular doc on a bike with smoke is expensive enough ! It's like one doctor and 2 bots in most other armies and it's completly justified by the fact we don't have palbot in ariadna to increase the utility range of doctors.

    0.5 SWC could be understandable while still unbalanced.

    Just compare these :

    PanOceania
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

    [​IMG]1
    TRAUMA-DOC Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    0 SWC | 20 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    Or

    Yu Jing
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

    [​IMG]1
    Zhanshi YĪSHĒNG Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    0 SWC | 21 Points

    Open in Infinity Army


    Or

    Jurisdictional Command of Corregidor
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

    [​IMG]1
    TOMCAT Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)

    0 SWC | 22 Points

    Open in Infinity Army



    I don't know who came out with this 1 SWC cost idea but that is pretty bad game balance imo.
     
  7. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    I didn't even notice the 1 SWC. Yeah, that kills him in TAK and USARF.
     
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  8. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    In Merovingia this guy will worth his weight in gold. To keep MRRF balanced the tax was unavoidable.
     
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  9. Disko King

    Disko King Well-Known Member

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    CB apparently doesn't want people to buy this pack,lol.

    8pts for bike with lgl over normal 112. 8pts buy you engineer with chainrifle, smoke granades and booty...you kidna get free order with him too, so that smoke nade costs you 0 orders...and you save 1swc...

    but for 40pts and 2 swc you can get 2x 112 on bikes, how awesome is that?!
     
  10. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    Heh, funny guy.
     
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  11. mightymuffin

    mightymuffin Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I was hoping for the motorised version gaining Impetuous and a bit of armour - certainly for 20pts.

    After all, those points costs mean I can get the foot-based version with a 2nd model; thus having an extra order to compensate for the slower speed.
     
  12. Zewrath

    Zewrath Nordic Master

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    @Marduck

    0,5 - 1 SWC is rather standard for a LGL with smoke. However, bikes have almost all been a universal exception to this rule as they are usually equipped with the LGL with smoke. I think the SWC tax stems from the fact that he isn't impetuous, which I think is ridiculous if I'm being honest. I would never take a bike that isn't impetuous.
     
  13. Marduck

    Marduck Well-Known Member

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    0.5 could be ok. Not impetuous doesn't bother me. I like my doc not being impetuous.
    But 1 SWC is quiet crazy

    @Káosz Brigodéros : I disagree. This guy adds smoke where it was needed for sure (FRRM only had duroc so far). But how would MRRF be unbalanced with some smoke ? We are not talking about a 5pts impetuous guy with smoke but a 20 pts doc which is only 70% sure to land a smoke if unopposed. TAK has ton of smoke with Irmandinos + dog warriors and nobody say they are unbalanced.
     
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  14. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    I hope it was a joke ;) hehehe. Why would be MERRF unbalance with smoke on 0 SWC cost? MRRF have tons of troupes with SWC. I'am not agree with you. Nothing at all.

    In Game are a lot of troups with smoke launcher with not cost. Look at the Kums guys.

    Completely agree with it,@Marduck
     
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  15. Alkasyn

    Alkasyn Well-Known Member

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    Glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's a useless update. They're completely irrelevant for me in USARF (I'd much rather have 2 Grunts in Inferior tan 1 doc on bike).
     
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  16. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    All the irregular smoke LgL on bike and the zondnautica disagree with the SWC cost for LgL smoke


    I build my 112 bike yesterday. It looks like a nice model to paint but once painted it will likely never make it to any list
     
  17. Modock

    Modock Well-Known Member

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    Right beside 112 motorized unit there are dynamo light cavalry regiments...regular, smoke Lgl, mine dispenser and so on... 0 swc, specialists cost 0.5 SWC
    IMO 112 moto are pretty useless with that price tag.
     
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  18. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    Wait, it's ok to againcompare units cross faction ?

    Yay I can start "Teuton LT hate" campaign!
     
  19. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    Holy shit

    I just found something good about the moto 112

    We can point at it to shut up PanO players whining about the moto Montesa!
    "You think you have it bad? Just look at this crap!" :D
     
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  20. eciu

    eciu Easter worshiper

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    People are whining about him ?