This was discussed in some discords and came up for me in a game last night. If a model with the frenzy skill is in a link team and inflicts a wound on an enemy model, then falls out of the link (or the link is broken), will the model become impetuous, due to the frenzy skill, in the next stats phase? Some people thought no, because frenzy is ignored while in the fire team. Some other people (me) thought yes because the frenzy rule doesn't reference fireteams when it is triggered. Relevant rules;
A Frenzy trooper will exit a Fireteam in whatever state they were in when they joined. So a Frenzy trooper who had become Impetuous before joining a Fireteam, will become Impetuous again when leaving it. A Frenzy trooper who was not Impetuous when joining a Fireteam will still be not Impetuous when leaving that Fireteam Additionally the Fireteam rules are clear that Frenzy is not applied while in a Fireteam, doesn't matter what it says in the actual Frenzy skill, because you're not applying it.
I've seen both sides of this and I agree the skill isn't applied but Frenzy doesn't specifically say when the wound has to have been done in order to trigger. So if you deal a wound while in a fireteam and then a turn later if you are out of the fireteam and reach the states phase you meet the activation condition for Frenzy because Frenzy is triggered now in the states phase not a turn ago while you were in the fireteam. Some clarification on how exactly it should work would be nice
But the second bullet point of the Fireteams and Frenzy is “whatever state they were in when they joined the Fireteam”. Which reads that you ignore anything that happened while the trooper was in the Fireteam, so that wound won’t do anything.
In the case where a model with frenzy does a wound to an enemy model while in a link - I think most everyone agrees that the instant the model leaves the link, it will not be impetuous (frenzied). The question is, what happens in the next states phase? Frienzied will be checked in each states phase and the model did do a wound. So are wounds caused while in a link ignored? The frenzy rule doesn't seem to care, but I could be wrong.
Existing thread here: Frenzy in a Fireteam | Corvus Belli Community Forum I searched for it because I thought there was one where @ijw had answered this. Turns out I thought so last time, and couldn't find it then, either. I'm having nested hallucinations.
I know the infinity community loves flowchars so I made this, which reflects my understanding of how the rules interact: edit based on QueenGambit's link: This seems to be accurate (but still not clarified by CB/IJW), but only checked in the states phase immediately following a player turn in which a model with frenzy inflicted a wound (i.e. frenzy would not be checked if the model did not inflict a wound).
Appreciate the link. Emphasis there seems to be on "if he causes" meaning the check wouldn't happen unless there was a wound inflicted in that turn. Which would still leave the question: what happens if you leave the link in the same turn you inflicted a wound (but the wound was inflicted while in the link)? lolz
At least, that’s always been the way since HSN2 introduced fireteams (“linkteams”) and simultaneously introduced “abusing the impetuous discount”.
