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N4: Unresolved rules questions

Discussion in 'Rules' started by Mahtamori, Nov 6, 2020.

  1. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    When the rulebook explicitly says one thing, it needs to be in the FAQ to be contravented.

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  2. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    Dude, we all know that @ijw trumps the rulebook.

    Absolutely it would be good to have in a FAQ, but in the meantime it's simply not an unanswered question. It's literally been answered, by @ijw.
     
  3. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    He definitely does not supersede the rulebook; he's been wrong plenty of times before. Considering his justification (that the example for Protheion wasn't written with the changes to Coup de Grace in mind) is wrong, I am very leery of taking that seriously.
     
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  4. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    It's literally impossible for @ijw to be wrong. He can later be overruled by a FAQ or a CB employee, but until he is, his ruling is, by definition, the rules.

    Sorry you don't like his ruling but everyone will follow it anyway, the question is answered. Wrong thread for this.
     
  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    You might think that, but I'm not in the cargo cult. This is exactly the right thread; a bunch of people are playing with IJW's house rules, in *direct contradiction* to an example in the book, based on incorrect reasoning on IJW's part.

    Any tournament I run is not going to ignore the rules for IJW's misinterpretations, that's for sure. You'll also notice he shut the fuck up when he was asked about whether or not it was an intentional nerf.

    You'll also not that it's not even under "solved" issues here.
     
  6. QueensGambit

    QueensGambit Chickenbot herder

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    *Sigh* It's depressing to have to keep repeating this conversation after they literally gave @ijw an "Infinity Rules Staff" banner to put an end to it.
     
  7. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    It's depressing that IJW keeps contradicting the written rules. If you wanna take a go at me take it outside the thread. This thread is for rules questions.
     
  8. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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  9. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Please respect the threads creator and limit unneeded discussions in this thread.
     
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  10. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Updated the original post with a few words on priorities and linked to rules resources. Let me know if there's something that needs linking (I consider ITS specific answers and rules outside the scope of the thread; don't hesitate to make a similar thread on the ITS forums if you feel up for it, that has been greatly useful in the past!)

    @HellLois I notice you've got the N4 FAQ linked twice on this page: https://infinitythegame.com/resources/downloads
    One has release date as the 18th of January and one has release date as the 1st of Duodevigintember. We probably only need one of them and I'm sure the Americans, fond as they are of their 12 day long months, can manage ;)
     
  11. HellLois

    HellLois What the Hell...Lois?
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    thx for the advise!
     
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  12. Foux

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    E/M CCW has ammunition normal + E/m. How many saving throws are there in situation you get hit by this?

    All will be one
     
  13. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Hullo!
    The answer can be found here: https://infinitythewiki.com/Combined_Ammunition

    You will use both the effects of Normal ammo (each failed ARM/BTS roll causes wounds) and E/M ammo (it causes +1 saving throw, any failed ARM/BTS roll causes isolated state, and any failed ARM/BTS roll causes HI/REM/TAG to become IMM-A, and each BTS roll will be at halved BTS value); So... you make two BTS rolls.
    It's a very strong melee weapon.

    If you have further questions, I kindly ask that you open a new thread and ask there.
     
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  14. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Bear in mind that this thread is for collecting together existing threads with no rules answer.

    However...

    An E/M+N hit inflicts:
    • Two Saving Rolls (from the E/M Ammunition part)
    • The Saving Rolls are against halved BTS (E/M)
    • Any failed Saving Rolls will cause Isolated State (E/M)
    • Any failed Saving Rolls will cause IMM-B State if the target is an HI/REM/TAG (E/M)
    • Each failed Saving Roll will cause the loss of one point of W/STR (from the Normal Ammunition part)
     
  15. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Do you lose your Tac Awareness order in a turn you start in hidden deployment? (as with the Sphinx?)


    Discussed here but CB disagreed in their latest battle report.
     
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  16. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Can you Discover + Shoot with a trooper in a fireteam?

    Discussed here.
     
    #96 Hecaton, Mar 13, 2021
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  17. inane.imp

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    @Hecaton can you add the links where those were discussed and not answered so it's easy for @Mahtamori to find them and add them.
     
  18. QueensGambit

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    I just noticed the fireteam discover+shoot question is listed twice in the OP @Mahtamori .

    Possibly my fault, I think I may have proposed it be added to the list without noticing it was already there.
     
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  20. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    inane.imp made one a bit quicker, but you both missed the counter-argument that template weapons state that only the main target affects MODs to the attacker.

    Added to the list under concerning for the simple reason that Guided attacks are completely dominating so far this edition.
     
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