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Oblivion/Jammer and Tactical Awareness

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Ayadan, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    I can’t see anything that stops it.
     
  2. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Is that how it works? I assumed they couldn't enter in that case.
     
  3. Section9

    Section9 Well-Known Member

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    As a former professional machine-gunner, you really don't want to shoot your friends, even moreso when you don't have comms/radar/minimap to know where they are anymore!
     
  4. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    So Aragoto can Cybermask now? Previously a user (I'm actually like 60% sure it was you, or at least here you are expressly supporting the reading that) told me that the line in the Impersonation rule:

    • The impersonator becomes Impetuous (due to the Frenzy Characteristic or any other effect) or enters Retreat! state. In either case, the trooper loses his ability to use the Impersonation Special Skill. The trooper recovers his ability to use the Special Skill when the Retreat! situation is canceled. However, the trooper does not revert to the Impersonation-2 state. To regain an Impersonation state, the trooper must follow the Activation rules of Impersonation-1 state.
    prevents impetuous hackers from Cybermasking.

    Is this no longer that case? The Impersonation state is only cancelled if you become impetuous, so if you already are impetuous, based on this ruling, there is no issue, correct?
     
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  5. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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    Read the second sentence in the bullet point.
     
  6. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    But he didn't become Impetuous, he already was Impetuous.

    In either case(the trooper becoming impetuous, or entering the retreat state), the trooper loses his ability to use the Impersonation Special Skill.

    Following the precedent of this ruling, just because becoming Impetuous means I lose/cannot regain the Cybermask state doesn't mean I can't enter the Impersonation state if I already was Impetuous to start.
     
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  7. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    Adding onto that, Aragoto cannot lose the ability to use "Impersonation Special Skill", she uses Cybermask program, which states:

    REQUIREMENTS
    • The user must be outside the LoF of all enemies.
    EFFECTS
    • By passing a WIP Roll, the user enters the Impersonation-2 state.
    • Replace the user's model with an Impersonation-2 Marker (IMP-2).
    • The effects of this program persist until the user reveals himself as per the Impersonation-2 state rules.
    • This program affects only the Hacker himself and therefore has no range.
    And according to the cancelation rules of the Imp-2, Aragoto has to become Impetuous, not be Impetuous.
     
  8. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    A troop capable of spending his whole order could (for example, a Religious Troop, or one with a level of Valour). That means Thorakitai, Dakinis, Eudoros, Moiras, Securitate, etc... can do so, either because they remain Regular (Securitate...) or because their irregular orders are not limited (Dakinis...)
     
  9. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    What now? How would that matter?
     
  10. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    What @xagroth said is only for retreat.

    If you are under the retreat state, you can only use "Short Movement Skills, Cautious Movement, Change Facing, Dodge or Reset (or any Special Skills that allow it explicitly)" . So you can go SF only if you are immune to retreat or if you cancel it.
     
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  11. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Ah, fair enough.
     
  12. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I follow what you are trying to say here.
    Are you saying the Aragoto can enter the Impersonation-2 state because Cybermask and Impersonation are two different skills?
     
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