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Discover on a non-marker target

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Arkhos94, Aug 30, 2019.

  1. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    Is it legal to declare discover on a non marker target ?

    For example :
    Caliban in camo marker form has LoF on a triad fireteam of tohaa and nothing else.

    He want to force tohaa to declare their ARO before his second short skill without delaying

    So first action, Caliban declare discover on tohaa n°1 (let's say a sukeul)

    Fearing the caliban pulzar, all tohaa FT declare dodge

    Second action, Caliban declare BS attack, spliting the burst with 1 dice per tohaa. All roll have the surprise shot modifier.

    Seems legit ?
     
  2. daszul

    daszul Well-Known Member

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    Sure, as Holoprojector L1 is not a marker state, but can get revealed by a successful Discover.
     
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  3. LZ35SRX

    LZ35SRX Well-Known Member

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    Citation needed on actual interaction between Holoprojector and Discover, since Discover is intended to cancel marker states, and Holoprojector is not a marker state.
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    Note the explanation before the frame with rules.

    RAW this action is possible, but extremely iffy, relying on a strictly "Oh, it doesn't specifically say I can't so I can!" approach. I personally would not allow that in a tournament I run.
     
  4. Armihaul

    Armihaul Well-Known Member

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    the only requirement is having LoF, nothing more. Do not mix requirements with effects or explanations. Actually, it doen't require for the objective to be an enemy (because if it was a requirement, you could not use it against impersonators).
     
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  5. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    Cancellation close of holoprojector level 1 :
    Cancellation
    • The trooper in Holoprojector L1 state is successfully Discovered.

    A troop on holo 1 status can be discovered, @daszul is right
     
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  6. Gunmage

    Gunmage General Contact Unit

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    You can also cancel Holoechos by discovering the Holoprojector L2 bearer.

    More interesting question is - can you Discover your own troops, since there's no requirement for the target to be an enemy? =)
     
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  7. Willen

    Willen Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps I am missing something but why would they be able to delay if you declare, for example, Idle?

    I understand the question but not the example...

    And FWIW I think RAW yes, you can Discover anyone.
     
  8. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    I’m camoed at the start so if I declare something that does not break camo, they will delay (and choose to dodge or bs attack based on my second action)

    If I break camo with my first action using discover, i can force my opponent to declare his aro before knowing if I will use my DTW or my smg
     
  9. Willen

    Willen Well-Known Member

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    Got it, skipped the camo part :)
     
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