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(HB) Govads after Fireteam updates

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Cannon Fodder, Jun 16, 2019.

  1. Cannon Fodder

    Cannon Fodder Well-Known Member

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    I'm switching back to my HB after taking a break from them. Yesterday I did well in a tournament with muyib based lists, but lost BADLY against a Steel Phalanx player (ODD). I think it was mostly factors out of my control (bad scenario for HB - Decapitation, I lost Initiative, and Achilles is a little broken). But it did make me rethink the value of Govads, since the links can now bring in more options.

    FYI: In decapitation I chose a Govad to be my LT because it's a little tougher with MSV1. I planted him on a rooftop and shotgunned anyone coming up the ladder. He was able to take out 2 of the 4 man link before dying.

    Is anyone playing these as a Fireteam core? The last refresh has given them:
    • Access to a Doc (Avicenna, Asawira)
    • Asawira Spitfire to be the main gun.
    • Yasbir for CC and smoke
    The way I see it, the Asawira can replace the Govad HMG as the main gun. The Extra BS, W, ARM is nice, but its mostly an even trade when it comes to long range shooting. I think HMG and MSV1 is better than the +2BS and spitfire in this regards.

    When looking at Doctor options I actually think the Asawira is the way to go. It serves a dual purpose, Doc & short to mid range beat stick. When the MSV1 is not required the +2 BS and armor will really shine.

    I know people groan about the Govads, but after playing the refreshed Muyibs I found the overlapping options were the main stars of the link. The Asawira Spitfire was was an easy replacement for the Muyib spitfire, but still had the same range bands. In a govad link I think its its better to focus on a tough specialist and for close range combat. Plus a BS target of 23 is kinda nice (BS14 + 6 shotgun +3 for 5 man fireteam).

    If playing a defensive scenarios I think I'll stick to Muyibs for the mine layers, but I'm no longer ruling out govads as a playable link.

    Hassassin Bahram
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    LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20)
    ASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) AP Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 45)
    GOVAD HMG / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)
    HASSASSIN HUSAM YASBIR (Holoprojector L1) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 27)
    GOVAD Sniper Rifle / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    2 SWC | 146 Points
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  2. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    I feel the Asawira Spitfire is definitely the way to go - if you can afford him.
    Up close, the volume of fire should work in your favor, and he's way tougher than Govad HMG, which I find an useful quality in a frontman (and likely the rpime target for your opponent anyway!)

    However, for long-range work, a ML or Sniper would be an useful addition. There, you can hope to outrange most targets and take Mimetism advantage off them (or limit the effect of ODD / TO Camo).

    Still, this is merely my opinion on that. Also, the layout and style of the table is going to be of major importance here.
     
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  3. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    I regularly use Govads as a Core or a Haris and get a lot of work out of them. For me the big difference post update was Leila becoming a Wildcard, because it lets me replace the Govad KHD with her. She's cheaper and has a longer range gun, no Veteran or MSV1 is not so good but the SWC saving is a strong advantage and I already have plenty of shooting pieces in that link.

    I like to use the Govad Core as a long range punisher: ML for a really nasty ARO piece and the HMG for the threat of destroying anything with it's head over the parapet on my own turn. With the enemy pinned my Daylami, Ghazi, Fiday, Farzan etc can then engage up close/push buttons. I find Govads are fantastic in this role.

    In that sense I've not yet found a use for the Asawira in the Govad Core as I use it, because the Asawira wants to really get in close, but this HMG and MSV1 plus lower cost is more useful for long range obvs. That said I can see potentially restructuring the team around CQB although I don't personally like using Cores as mobile offensive groups.
     
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  4. HotFreshTofu

    HotFreshTofu Well-Known Member

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    I think Govads are great. The ML is nice. Make sure to rub his bald head for good luck before rolling the dice.

    The mixed link options makes it easier to leave him out to ARO, because when he dies there is a doctor in the link, or Leila is ready to jump in and get those bonuses back on your active turn HMG / spitfire rip.

    linked ML = a major pain in the ass for your opponent.
     
  5. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    Yes, @Errhile, Asawira-core is the way... :P


    Funny thing I played too a tournament this weekend with HB, 3 victories 2 defeats, so the balance is Ok, almost in the "Top 10", but this isn't the point. We played Hunting Party as one of the 5 scenarios, so this time I choose to use the "Govads Core" for one of my 2 lists.

    Govad HMG
    Govad Snipper
    Govad Lt Fusil+Light shot gun
    Avicena
    Asawira Spitfire.

    Yasbir (core option) and Leila were both presents, one as a replacement in the core and the other to form a haris with Asawira Spitifre Haris + Muyib "SpecOps".

    One Farzan FW made full the first group.

    The second was composed by 3 Muttawiah.

    Frequently I cross my path against IE, so I tried hard not include Fiday in one list, because against Aliens the haquiss impersonators sucks, more if we go second. The point here is in "Hunting Party" my pairing was agaisnt EC player, one which I know well, so I waited for an Avatar, and this is why I choose the govads list, five member link + VML1 would make my live easier, but not.

    I go second, so I choose the best DZ (the table wasn't great, almost no room to deploy, so most of the troups were too close to others) but I had greats LoFs. The IE player almost hadn't room to put his models with some kind of cover inside his DZ, only in the opposite corner as my side, so I hope, placing the govad snipper almost in the corner (with cover), to make the Avatar rush hard, but an Avatar never come alone, so the speculo killer did the job, with a single order from boarding shot gun, put my ARO piece to sleep and the asawira spitfire too.

    If I think about what happend and the conlusion was, Govads still aren't rival for the muyibs. The MVL1 is really good, but when smoke is involve is pretty much the same have or not have the visor. My ARO pieces if they are muyibs, don't die easily from a single shotgun order, at least I could activate "dogged" if things don't go really really bad.

    Against SSA I used only to have one big trouble, named "Achilles", the combo stats+ddo made him "unnstopable", and here the Govads aren't too much better than the Muyibs. The little muttawiah I think are the better choice against "Achilles" (they can isolated him or even inmobilized) when this profile is neutralized you can move around the table place mines and try to shoot in good range with your weapon.

    After the latest tournament (if not Spec Ops extra) I will play the govads as a "defensive CORE" with a pair of snippers or the combo snipper + ML, the Govad Lt and two other troups as Asawiras or Leila, in order to make one core of muyibs when the ARO pieces goes down. But if I want this ARO role, really is worthy? The Ghulams are cheaper and almost the same.

    I don't give up with govads (yet) but I really don't hope they will made change my mind. Muyibs are to me superior, now with the Asawiras in core, much more.

    Best regards
     
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