Season 10 Moiras

Tema en 'Nomads' iniciado por PirateCaptain, 3 Sep 2018.

  1. PirateCaptain

    PirateCaptain Member

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    So, Bravery and Moira Links. Yay or meh?
     
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  2. Solar

    Solar Well-Known Member

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    Definitely yay. I already liked them, now even more. But the Holy Trinity haris is now even better! Starting in Spitfire range, hell yes.
     
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  3. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    Kusanagi has a spitfire profile. I'd say yay.
     
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    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    Yea to Moiras, I was running them anyway. E/M LGL just got a whole lot sweeter.
     
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  5. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    As Elite Troops they also have two new classifieds they have access to, as well as the hacker having a new one and an easier time doing an old one now that the -3 WIP is removed.
     
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    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Haris / small core Yay. Defensive core probably nay, but it'll depend on table layout: Moiras still need stand off distance

    TBH I'd prefer the 2pt discount on them.
     
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  7. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Bakunin's best Morlock trainer
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    Big Yay for any Link with Spitfire Kusanagi and the E/M LGL. And still a Yay for Links with just the normal stuff since now the Sniper can be deployed a bit more freely - that nun now acts almost like Le Muet (without his general awesomeness).
     
  8. Punkow

    Punkow Active Member

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    Meh...
    Moiras suck because of their high vulnerability to templates. Putting them even closer to the enemy will simply exacerbate this issue.
     
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  9. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Isn't that true for most MI troops? Aleph ones being an exception...
     
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  10. Bohrdog

    Bohrdog Santathematics

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    Not just MI troops but just about everything in the game.
     
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  11. SN0flux

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    I put this together late last night when I saw the new rules. Start the whole game outside your DZ

    [​IMG] ITS 10
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    [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] SIN-EATER Mk12 / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 30)
    [​IMG] KUSANAGI Lieutenant Spitfire / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 43)
    [​IMG] REVEREND MOIRA MULTI Rifle + E/M Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1 | 34)
    [​IMG] REVEREND MOIRA Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 36)
    [​IMG] REVEREND MOIRA HMG / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    [​IMG] REVEREND HEALER Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 32)
    [​IMG] ZERO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] ZERO (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] ZERO (Minelayer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] PROWLER Boarding Shotgun, Grenades, D-Charges / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 31)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

    Open in Infinity Army
     
  12. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Yeah, but a link in Forward Deployment 1 is just inside the lovely embrace of Impersonators and enemy troops that can afford to try something like Infiltration rolls, meaning the Oniwaban, the Daylami... And all of them have access to shotgun templates and/or mines.
     
  13. Punkow

    Punkow Active Member

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    Yeah, but not many MIs are played in links and are as expensive as Moiras. Thorakitai, wildcats, grunts, marauders etc... they are all much cheaper than moiras . Moiras are one-trick ponies based on their ODD, a trick countered by a LOT of stuff.

    Still, in Bakunin, the morlock gruppe sinergizes well with Moiras, providing them a much needed shield against pesky flamer bots etc... But that won't work (or, at least, will be less efficient) if you deploy them in front of said morlocks...
     
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    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Mk12 toting Sin Eater Observants with Advanced Deployment N1...

    That being said, you only fear direct templates, since they can FtF with 2 shots at 12+3... and including a reverend healer with BSG means that one fires at 13+6. So really, Chasseurs, melee assassins inside smoke, suicidal Oniwabans, mine-planting Fiday...
     
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  15. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Show me a template you can get to my Wildcats I'm not happy to LFT back, you can't.
     
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    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Or BSG back on 22s. :grin:

    Wildcats really work with FD1. So do a lot of MI. Moiras it'll depend on table layout: if the FD1 allows you to exploit some dead ground to keep templates away it'll be invaluable, but if it doesn't then you're probably deploying well back anyway.

    Personally, I think Bravery is a mess.

    We'd be better off with a 1pt discount to MI across the board and and then adding FD1 back onto particular units. Ie for Wildcats -1 CC, +FD1 and for Moiras -1pt on all profiles.

    CC costs in the 14-16 band also need to be looked at.

    BUT that's outside the scope of ITS. As a band-aid to shake up the meta it's interesting. But it in no way aids all MI equally.
     
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  17. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    the biggest issue with the moira's is that a moira core link with kusanagi costs the same if not more than a full riot grrl core making them mostly irrelevant.
     
  18. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    It's not like Fatality on TAGs that fits so well and evenly that it could easily be permanent. But I think it's fine for a season. The main problem is that there are guys that needed the help that aren't getting it from this. But it's a nice clean way to observe some changes in MI that can be done temporarily until they can give more individual attention.
     
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  19. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Daylami light shotgun infiltration... Surprise shot!
    Chasseur flamethrower
    Grunt flamethrower
    .... XD

    Now, Fiday OR Speculo using a Shotgun (either a light one or the BSG) after placing a mine...
    And let's not forget AD troops, the Speculo can drop the smoke and then Ko Dali can get down to say hi with her guns... or at melee to eat and grow.
     
  20. loricus

    loricus Satellite Druid

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    Every one is worth flaming back. It's usually a waste of resources. I pray people use up their pricey drops and token state impersonators or TO.
     
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