Full vanilla army, here we come!!!

Discussion in 'Japanese Secessionist Army' started by Keith, Aug 3, 2024.

  1. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    The SK thing is most probably a mistake, definitely looks like HI (and not a fragile one, on top of that).
     
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  3. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    And there we go, with another stupid and obvious plagiarism from CB... Usual design laziness :)
    Profiles are great though, seems like most of them are playable and interesting!
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    You say it like if we are getting these "tributes" monthly
     
  5. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    ROFL. Daenerys Balboa, Senor Deadpool, The DC Morlocks (Colossus, Quinn, The Joker and Killer Croc), Samus, Brad Pitt Achilles, the Moderators of the Galaxy (Collector, Yondu, Gamora, Nebula and Drax), Ko-Rigan and Starcraft Patchers, Batou and Kusanagi "Ryuken-9", Mel "Braveheart" Gibson, etc... And that's just on the top of my head. That's already enough for like 20 months here! :)
     
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    That's like a 20 years span, not 20 months...
     
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    Oh, the list is far from exhaustive and I only picked the most obvious plagiarisms that came to my mind when thinking about it for two minutes.
    I said 20 months because fari spoke about this not being a monthly thing and I listed like 20 already. It's humour.
     
  8. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    the only ripoff i can think in the recent times, not being a resculpt, is Samus Aran, and before that, DC morlocks/ Moderators of the galaxy, with years between them
     
  9. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    Years between them? You should read my list better. And again, it's far from exhaustive. Also, I fail to see how if a ripoff is a resculpt, suddenly it's fine? :joy:
    Like Danaerys Balboa is just OK?

    It's funny that you constantly crap on CB, mostly for unvalid or purely subjective reasons but you find blatant plagiarism and design laziness OK. Strange little guy.
     
  10. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    As i said, not being resculpts. 1st Daenerys was early N3 or before. You can argue that the old william Wallace is not Gibson and the new one is, OK. When Gibson came out, 2021? Still 3 years to the next, Aran. And still without figure. EDIT: No, patchers were the most recent ones.


    And almost all of that mentioned were N3 era. And those who came in N4, were just resculpts of already existing ones. (Except, again, Wallace)

    You also forgot to mention that Achilles wont be Brad Pitt anymore with him going to CA. Because you dont like tributes, i suppose you should praise that.
     
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  11. Child9

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    You can quibble as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that the game contains dozens of miniatures that are more or less obvious ripoffs or "blundering inspirations". It's irrelevant that they are old minis, resculpts or new designs, as CB keeps doing it anyway, nowadays (Wait for Samus or Tanukis...). And I'm not fine with that. It was discussed elsewhere not so long ago. I'm pretty sure you heard about willing suspension of disbelief. Well, when I see Daenaerys, Colussus or Brad Pitt on my Infinity gaming table, it just takes me out of the game. It's stupid and out-of-topic.

    BTW, I also remember now the Judge Dread biker (they even kept the "I am the law"), the Chun-Li Odalisque,Van Zan(t) or Celty "Kuroshi" Sturluson. The list goes on and on and on, and if I run an exhaustive Google search, I'll find tons of others, some I don't even know. Don't die on that hill, really, it's a silly lost battle.

    Oh, and I do like tributes or fun/relevant references. Some bikes from JSA for example or the clear inspiration between O-Yoroi/EVA, but there is a world between an inspiration or a tribute, and lazy blatant plagiarism.
     
  12. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Ok, but that's not the topic. You are claiming that plagios are too common, when the reality is that they arent. They have plenty of them? Well yes, the game is now 20 years old. They release them month after month? No. And people usually love that references, so ignore them or get over it
     
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    I listed like 25 or 30 miniatures that are blatant plagiarisms and repeated that was not an exhaustive list. How much more dozens do you need to consider it's too much? And since when plagiarism is OK just because it's not monthly? Thanks goodness it's not monthly!

    BTW, I never said it was a monthly thing. These are your own words, don't put them in my mouth. That's called a strawman sophism and you shouldn't do that. It's obvious and bad. All I said is "there we go, with another stupid plagiarism from CB".

    And if people indeed often like references, most of them are not exactly fond of plagiarism. Do you understand the difference between a reference and a plagiarism? You act like you don't, but I'm pretty sure you do and you're just being of bad faith. Still, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and I'll explain to you, with examples. Copy/pasting a character from another universe, like they did with Deadpool or Patchers is not a reference. It's P-L-A-G-I-A-R-I-S-M. You want references or inspirations? Look at the O-Yoroi. Clearly inspired by Evangelion, with some recognizable features, but not a copy paste. Or the bikes from JSA, obvious Akira vibes here.

    Also, please explain to me how should I "ignore them" when my opponent is fielding such miniatures? Should I play with my eyes closed? Or refuse to play with someone using such miniatures?

    Defending plagiarism teeth and nails like this, you really are a piece of work... :joy:
    Can we go back to the topic? Do you have anything relevant to say about the new profiles?
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Infinity have now probably more than 1000 references. Less than 100 are "blatant plagiarisms", as you say. 10% or less. That percentage is clearly too much plagiarism for you, but normal people dont care a fuck about it, and if you are so angry about it, leave the game.

    Do you? because saying oh, another plagio, lazy spaniards is not exactly relevant, or is it?

    I dont defend plagiarism. I dont care about, is a nice reference to fans, is not that common and you are overreacting as someone with some mental illness
     
  15. Delta57Dash

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    Slightly disappointed that the Tanuki "Engineer" profile isn't actually an Engineer. Would've been nice to take a Duo + Karakuri in a Haris, or to tag along with the TAG in a duo.

    Otherwise, they seem solid. Very solid even. BS13, Dodge on 14's, standard MI ARM/BTS, and then some nice utility skills in Number 2, Terrain (Total), Warhorse, and Immunity (Shock). Not bad at all for the price they're asking.

    The Hacker coming with in with Warhorse, a Pitcher and a Disco Baller at 20 points is pretty incredible, the CoC at 18 has a solid loadout and enables the LT+1 Hatamoto to be aggressive, and then two MSV2 loadouts at sub-30 points cost (and an LT option if you're hurting for SWC).

    Hacker+1 w/ Senzoku, Pure w/ HMG, Pure w/ Sniper all look like solid Haris teams, and there's a lot of flexibility to play around with exactly what rules and tools you want to cart around. Can even take a Monk to make it a bit cheaper and add some CC prowess. Bit of a shame they can't Core. Rui-Shi and Karakuri might be a bit iffy without a real Engineer to pick them up but still could be good options.
     
  16. Wizzy

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    First of all, you're both boring us, and secondly, plagiarism is an infraction that varies from country to country, and nobody knows Spanish law, which must be very permissive, because that's how the Spanish got to know the pop franchises of the 80s and 90s, and especially the various imitations of GI Joe and Musclor toys, and the Spanish are still doing it, so it probably hasn't changed much.
     
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    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    I think i will go with a haris of ruishi, karakuri and tanuki hacker and a tanuki sniper+ CoC as a duo for aro duties
     
  18. Child9

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    Now people not agreeing with you are not even "normal people"? Or are mentally ill. Sure. Take a chill pill and get off your high horse. And you're insulting to people with actual mental illnesses. Don't lower yourself that much.

    Also, do you think "normal non-mentally ill people" are calculating the "plagiarism over references" ratio to determine if plagiarism is okay or not? It would be solid comedy to see you as CB's lawyer during a trial. "But your honor, it's only less than 100 plagiarisms over more than 1000 references, you cannot sentence my client!". It sounds stupid? Yes, because it is.
    And as hilarious as it would be, it doesn't even get anywhere close to you asking me to leave the game if I'm not happy, whiny_fari... :) That level of irony is out of this world.

    Yes, I do, you'd have seen if you read properly.
    "Profiles are great though, seems like most of them are playable and interesting!"
    And yes, pointing out plagiarism and design laziness is relevant. Maybe not to you, but we don't have the same moral standards I believe.

    Saying "I don't defend plagiarism" in a message also containing "there are maximum 100 blatant plagiarisms in the game, who cares" is a ballsy move, I'll give you that :)
    Also, re-read my explanation about the difference between plagiarism VS reference. I tried to keep it as clear and easy to understand as possible but you still missed the point.

    Oh, I'm ready to bet good money on the fact that it is plagiarism even considering spanish law. I mean, Senor Massacre IS Deadpool. Kuroshi is Celty Sturluson. The Patchers are Starcraft Marines. Companies get sued and sentenced for way less than this. The only reason CB is getting away with it is "why the heck would Marvel or Blizzard care about a random tiny company selling a bunch of Deadpool/Starcraft look-alike miniatures? Even though I suspect CB changed the Samus profile super fast after publishing it because they received a kind call from Nintendo's lawyers, a company which is particularly known for not really tolerating plagiarism, no matter the source. But that's just me wild-guessing.
     
  19. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Oh, your horse is much higher than mine, my child, only you dont see It.

    Hail, forums morality guide. Hail the absolute thruth. Dont you dare to not agree with the Oracle of I'm right, you dont.

    BTW, i dont have a mentall illness, i got tested. What about you,?
     
  20. Child9

    Child9 Well-Known Member

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    I think this answer requires no additional comment. I'm glad to see that you accepted your argumentative defeat and have nothing else left than "you do that, much more than me, ni na ni na" or some low psychophobic ad personam "you're mentally ill".
    Back to the topic.
     
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