Disappointing low effort reinforcements

Discussion in 'Tohaa' started by Diphoration, Jul 20, 2023.

  1. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Didn’t Koni as say there will be a general balance pass as well? Perhaps better to see how everything fits together before getting the torches and pitchforks?
     
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  2. anubis

    anubis sarcastic exaggerator

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    If i remember correctly, Blindside mentioned in his preview of the complete preorder set that the book does not contain any rules but the missions. It seems that it is exclusivly a fluff book, with no rules but scenarios in it. Everything else will come in ARMY or PDF, i guess? But i am not 100% sure, for i don´t have the book myself. Maybe some ARMY+ Users know more due to the P2W advantage? :-D
     
  3. Tool81

    Tool81 Well-Known Member

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    I read many theories about the reason why Tohaa is problematic for CB: poor sales, small fanbase, difficult game-mechanic, but never found an official statement. So maybe instead that being frustrated and post angry/acid comments we can try to gently ask together for an official answer from CB why they are so reclutant to propose new material for this army.
     
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  4. burlesford

    burlesford Sheet guy

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    I agree. Which is why I have already done that. I linked Koni in it, so I'm pretty sure he saw it, but in his next post he decided not to give an answer. And I'm sure I'm not the first who tried over the last six years and was ignored. Maybe that's why people are a bit iffy.
     
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  5. Tool81

    Tool81 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, I did not know. Maybe will be useful to make a sort of petition where Tohaa players/supporters can anonymously subscribe. I think that this can be a respectful way to interact with CB. In this way we and them can see if the fanbase is too small for an investment (new minis) and if the problem are the rules or other they can interact with the community and find a solution.
     
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  6. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    As per all releases so far for more than a decade, no core gaming rules component has ever been kept sealed in a book purchase and all are available to be downloaded.

    I am not sure why this is a surprise, the book contains only the fluff and some narrative missions to play.
     
  7. Henshini

    Henshini Well-Known Member

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    Not going to happen unless the profiles are getting a rework too.
     
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  8. Time Bandit

    Time Bandit Vulnerability (Total)

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    I dunno. I get that it's frustrating, but Tohaa are clearly on ice for the foreseeable. At least the rules are still live, well written and very strong. I'd have liked to see a little more for my Tohaa too, but I also accept that CB have a plan to how they like to update armies: all-at-once.

    And guys, Bostria is a funny troll lord. Please don't put pressure on him to change his shtick, he's a legend. Do you reall want the souless GW model where people guard what they say to the point of banality?
     
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  9. Triumph

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    Comedy is a subjective tool but there is a very easy guideline, it's funnier when you use comedy to punch up. Punching down generally makes you come across as at best insensitive, and at worst an asshole and unfortunately this is something that @Bostria historically has a poor understanding of.

    He did the same shit during Uprising, picking on factions that have an upset playerbase that are on the receiving end of straight up unfavourable updates from CB that have totally missed their mark makes him come across as a dickhead regardless of his intent, jokes are funnier when everyone is in on it. When one party isn't you're probably just going to offend them.

    In terms of punching up dunking on Nomads, who haven't seen a shit release cycle in living memory, or Yu Jing who are set to probably come out the furthest ahead for this entire release would be appropriate. You could make fun of Yu Jing the whole way through this entire book and largely nobody is going to give a shit, they're going to be too busy flinging pitchers they just got.

    Picking on Tohaa who have already been in a precarious position for a long time and are very clearly getting shafted in this update just makes him seem like a bully.
     
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  10. Tool81

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    No one want to put pressure on anyone, the point is just to have a constructive discussion between CB and the fanbase. It is clear that there is some problem regarding Tohaa army update. Unfortunately the reason for this was never officially explained and this generate frustration in the players that bought and love this faction. I don't get why mention other companies or business model.
     
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  11. Time Bandit

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    I don't think he's picking on them, just havimg a laugh with friends, chatting about the game, in a very natural kind of way. I like that as a way of communicating with the base, personally.
     
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  12. Triumph

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    Doesn't matter what you think, it matters what everyone else thinks. He's broadcasting on a public platform to his playerbase and he's making comments that are easily perceived as mocking people that are already annoyed.

    He always does this. It always pisses people off. Telling people who are annoyed by this "don't be annoyed this guy is taking the piss out of you" is equally as stupid as what Bostria is doing, it's just throwing more fuel on a fire.

    There is a way for Bostria to do what you're asking for, this isn't it.
     
  13. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Isn't this subjective though and applies to everybody?
     
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    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    It matters most from the aggrieved party. I could refer to you as a a mouth breathing fool who couldn't approach a situation critically if his life depended on it, you're not going to care if my friends think it's funny you're probably going to be offended.
     
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  15. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    I would most probably ignore your opinion, but that is not the point.

    The problem is you assume your opinion is the majority opinion when it is probably not, what most probably happening is some are offended, some find it funny and most fall in between the two edges.
     
  16. Gwynbleidd

    Gwynbleidd Non asto coram malo

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    Why? Why does the aggrieved party’s opinion matter more? Is it that there are more of you? Have you a higher stake in this than the rest of us? I sternly object to my opinion being lesser than anyone else’s because I think differently than they do.

    I’m sorry for the Tohaa players. The video done for them was upsetting. Nothing new and a bit lacklustre. I didn’t find Bostria any more offensive though than at any other time when he has been his usual self. His attitude when declaring a whole year for “Military Orders just for you!” Was the same.

    Just because I’m not filled with hatred for his mocking nature doesn’t invalidate my opinion. Nor is your opinion invalid because it upset you. It simply is what it is.
     
  17. Usashi

    Usashi Well-Known Member

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    I was deluding myself that maybe we will get a Taqeul mini as a farewell gift. It could be a CB store exclusive model to avoid SKU bloat.

    Then again, instead of bug mercenary CB could throw a bone to Tohaa players and make it an artichoke merc. It's not that we have high expectations and literally anything would make the Tohaa fans happy.
     
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  18. Daireann

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    To be honest, I feel some "emotional damage" from that tohaa moments, but I am not going to blame Bostria for comments. There are some things, that makes me worry in the game.

    Well, the game again in the state of something, that can be interesting. Reinforcement just a new mode for me, I got it. No new miniatures.

    As NA2 player I think, that Samsa could be available for each of NA2 sectorials. And there is a chance it would be so. Like with "only starmada" roadbot. At leastbthere is a chance.We would see anyway.

    I am not in the state "selling all my miniatures, I am quit" after all...

    Waiting for the august and would continue my arguing or stop them x)

    May be it was too much expectations after hype around reinforcements.
    After all this expectations was heated for some time.
     
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  19. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Same reason if I make racially charged jokes, make fun of poor people, the disabled or any other group of people, the people I'm making fun of generally have the most right to say "hey, I didn't like that it wasn't funny."

    I could make fun of someone's misfortune, they were in a car crash and are left with a nasty bill. I could make fun of them for driving like an Asian. At the same time said person who's just totaled their car is probably going to think I'm being a giant dick.

    Bostria is on a public platform, he's not just broadcasting to an inner circle that might find this amusing. His actions are antagonistic to certain people, it's in public and it's going to be seen by them, and it's taken as such. It's not a surprise people get mad.
     
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  20. Gwynbleidd

    Gwynbleidd Non asto coram malo

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    You have the right to say it isn’t funny but that doesn’t make your opinion any more important than the people who think it is. There are Tohaa players out there who may think the complete opposite. Their opinion on the matter is no less valid. I get that you and those who share your opinion are angry. You get to display that anger, hopefully in a tasteful fashion. I am sorry however that it doesn’t mean you matter more in the argument, of which you are only one side. It only means that you’re upset and that you have the right to give your opinion. If the entire Tohaa player base were to display in one voice an opinion however, then there’d be cause for stating that opinion as valid as it’d represent the whole and not one part of the community that has been addressed in this issue.
     
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