Hello everyone! After new realises I'm a little upset, mostly all new and updated shooters science start of n4 is just combo of msv and memetism. Is there no other way to make a good profile for shooter? In n3 we've got a fullauto rule which gave -3 to target when you declare shooting, why it's impossible to ressurect it in new way? New guys have dodge -3/6, old i-khol is cc attack -3/9 now, why we cant have bs attack -3 for example? I still miss you kriza(
He lost it for good reason. It's still quite good. It's one of the few that can get burst 6 too. But a -3 that could never be changed was very powerful. Almost everything has some type of counter. That's what MSV is for. Some things better than others. For instance a Biovisor should be able to treat Impersonation 1 as if it were 2. But to your question, there's also things like Marksmanship.
So giving some models marksmanship, which removes most frequent -3 mod, is good, but giving bs attack -3 is too powerfull. And with every release we've got more and more models with msv, which nullified benifits of all other memetism units. Imho old fullato dont break anyting, kriza costs over 50 and everything that he can do is shoot. Same time in new release CB shows to us bokhtar with the same cost but with all possible rules and no one saw a power creep.
This is kinda the opposite of power creep. Yes, Kriza is a tad expensive right now, but it was kinda dumb before. It's still got the -3, but like Cover and the counter in Marksmanship, this -3 now has a counter in MSV1+. On the bright side, opponents still get -3 if the Kriza dodges.
The comparison to the Bokhtar also doesn't make sense. Bokhtar has a B4 DAM 13 gun that's good to 24". Kriza has a B5 DAM 15 gun that's good to 32". Their roles are totally different. Super-jump on the Kriza would be points bloat since (a) it's only jumping 4" and (b) at 32" range, jumping won't help much with getting good angles. Kriza wants to live near your DZ and shoot across the table at hard targets. Bokhtar wants to go to the midfield and beyond and reap cheerleaders, especially cheerleaders who thought they were safe on a roof. If you want to evaluate the Kriza's cost, compare it to the cost of units that resemble it in some way.
Adding BS Attack (-3) back would be trivial and probably ideal to make some non HMG/Spitfire gunners viable (looking at you Marksmanrifles). It would also work in ARO, so could be neat for a Neurokinetics ARO piece. For some reason CB hasn't used some options (or hasn't thought about them yet). There's some low hangig fruit they haven't used, like Limited Camoflague with Mimetism (-6) troops (funny enough it exists on Mim (-3) and no Mimetism at all). Then there's the "target Skill limitation" option that doesn't exist at all yet as far as I'm aware. Skill Y (-X Skill Z) for example: BS Attack (-3 BS Attack) could be a more balanced version of the old Full Auto MOD, doesn't apply if you Doge or CC against it, only applies against other BS Attacks. If I'm missing some wording that makes this problematic it could also just be ECM: BS Attack (-3) with a very similar effect. The framework N4 enabled allows for a lot of fun combinations, the problematic bit is mostly pricing and packaging it correctly so it doesn't get out of hand.
What are wrong with Marksman Rifles? They are one of the best additions to the game as a non SWC weapon that superior to a rifle. I don't see anything inherently wrong with that general class of weapon.
Thats nice statement. With "hard" rules separation CB can make a lot of new combination, but now we've mostly got a msv+memitism combo, which kind of sad. Aboute kriza, as I noticed before, in my opinion bs attack -3 dont break the game, non-msv units still will be shot back with -3 like his got a memetism -3, but all new wierd guys like atalanta and other msv+marksmanship units will suffer a little bit. Kriza do nothing except shooting, so why he can't be good at the only thing he was made for? My thought thats bokhtar looks like very unbalanced unit, especially parachutist loadout. She's got all for wining ftf, she is 2 wounded and got a solid armor, You cant hide from her on rooftops because she's got super-jump. On aro she's got dodge +3 on 4 inches. You can try to cc her with warbands, but you cant safely reach her couse of msv. Even if you succeeded she's still got high cc and viral pistol, which turn close combat with her into the lottery. Her only vulnerability is hacking, but in the same army exist barid khd. Yes, shes cost a lot, but in vanila you've got a lot cheap and effective models like diggers, in bahram you've got annoying daylamis and muttavis and still can do nice rosters. And forgot to noticed that she's got TA/NCO, very nice for 53/56 dont you think?
Check the discussion in the Haqqislam section about the Bokhar (here and here). It is definitely mixed as it is so expensive for Haqqislam. Her and the Sunduqbut are great additions to the army as it gives us additional high cost option. It is so easy in Haqqislam to just rely on the awesome Asawira.
My take thats haq already have a lot of units for devastating 1 turn and CB gave them a relentless paratrooper to kill even more. I'am not agree thats she's expensive, you've got extra good cheap choises both in vanila and bahram as i noticed before. Its okay if she moves from opponrnts deployment, but paratrooper are extra evil. I can easily imagine a concept where a fiday from a small group kills a opponent's hacker and this colossus simply annihilates the deploy.
Eh. That is definitely based on people's individual experiences. Just about all the factions have very strong Alpha strike capability. They just do it in different ways. Like it has been said, units over 50 points are rare in Haqqislam and can generally change one's plans or playstyles. HB and Haqqislam in general (before N4) relied on piece trading with plentiful cheap and irregular units. Having expensive options are a nice breath of fresh air.
Lol CB just thinks tunguska is broken i believe. Kriza was good? Nerfed now. Grenzer was ok? Nerfed! Go play your funny securitate pureteam 1W BS12 HMG with 3pts tax in comparison with fusiliers. Actually it is kind of funny you compare tunguska with HB - here your cheapest order after bots - 12 useless bounty hunter, and in HB you can pick 1kk great useful irregulars with no cost. Interventors are cool? Yes just like barid but far more expencive. And in super-highcost army we have pretty average Kriza vs three cheaper great killers in HB. Idk
I'm still a little annoyed by the Bohktar. I've said it before, but she shouldn't have a paramedic profile. It should be a doctor. It feels like breaking fluff for point cost saving. It's like if O-12 got a new knight Hacker whose only BS10 to bring the point cost down. Yes it would increase the price for no noticeable change, but it fits as a flavor thing. We don't really do paramedics, except for Maggie who is a tank driver with an emergency medikit. The Maghariba is a really unique case.
I see the Bohktar to be kinda like that Maggie pilot: As Haqqislam, they get some limited life saving training that completely secondary to their main jobs. On the fluff side, I cannot see someone who goes through the traumatic experience of the Bohktar being a reliable doctor. From a rules perspective, they would directly be overlapping onto Hakim or the Jannisary Doctor. And the Jannissary Doctor really, really needs some improvement.
I played over 100 games only in this season, around 60 in ITS. I think thats enough to make conclusion close to reality. Not many armies can afford so hard alphastrikes. Bokhtar price dont change thing that in haq's list still got extra cheap and strong models, but now they've got another thing to destroy you on first turn. My thoughts thats CB need to do updates a little bit often, there a lot of old units which need a upgrade (hello hollow men). On the other hand, I understand that CB wants to sell new brilliant miniatures and forget about already realised profiles, so we should be grateful that сb is doing at least something. But I still dreaming that sooner or later everything will get a decent update.
I want my Full auto Sogarat back. Why CB hates this model so much? BS attack -3 on Sogarat would be a viable option to take it. Now its just a piece of metal on the shelf. I also don't understand the kriza nerf, after we are introduced to Dodge (-) skills. And ammont of MSV1+ mimetism -3 is kinda annoying. There are other combinations, other than this one, to make unit good. Also, mercinaries still missing a doctor profile :) Avicenna is too old :) we need a new doctor, like Fiddler
In aditional we are still havent fireteam special rules for new armies like tarlok fireteam in morats. Who, if not a steel phalanx, should receive thematic bonuses for fireteams? Something for fireteams full of heroes for example. But we've got nothing even no silly desert terrain for haqs. Why CB dont use modifiers that are not multiples of three? We already got a fireteam bonus for +1 BS, so why we cant get a memetism (-1) or something like this, profiles would start to drastically differ
