A monofilament sword has N ammunition, DAM 12, ARM=0 and inflicts the state=dead. Does the presence of normal ammunition mean that a monofilament sword technically inflicts both a wound and the dead state on a failed save? Obviously this will almost always be irrelevant but there are a couple of Protheion troops in the game who also have Monofilament weapons that would benefit from causing an actual wound in the same order as they kill something.
That makes sense to me. I can't see a reason that they don't cause a wound + death. For most that is the same thing, but you are right that Protheion does care and I can't see why that wouldn't work.
Pretty sure in one of the longer IJW threads he addressed that. Technically) it doesn't inflict a wound (nor does Coup de Grace) and neither inflict wounds and thus don't trigger Protheion. Intended? Dunno.
I don't believe any of the prior threads every addressed the fact that a monofilament sword is still Normal ammunition. Everyone was coasting on N3 inertia where monofilament was its own ammunition that caused a target to pass straight to dead, rather than being Normal Ammunition with the ARM=0 and state=dead properties. With that in mind: yes, any effect that causes a target to pass straight to dead without inflicting wounds doesn't (annoyingly) trigger protheion. This is a separate question. :)
Hmm. Eraser is DA ammo and state=Isolated, so the same logic would imply that it does wounds as well as isolating. Same with Jammer and Normal ammo. Also Symbiobug - wtf is a symbiobug? I didn't know they existed. Maybe they're meant to do damage. Phero-booster if I recall, is supposed to do damage as well as cause the Targeted state? I think that's all of them in the weapon chart. So either Eraser and Jammer have an error in the rule, or Phero-booster (and maybe symbiobug) do. If the former, Monofilament feeds Protheion, if the latter, it doesn't...
@QueensGambit Eraser and Jammer are both non-lethal. Monofilament and Phero-Booster are not - that's the distinction. Symbiobugs are tohaa crazykoalas and, alas, no longer exist on any profile. They're from N3.
Definitely not intended in Coup de Grace's case, as the example in the rulebook explicitly contradicts what IJW wants to see.
I was the one who asked the question back then Answer is No wound inflicted and no power up for Nourkias (we all know it's him we are talking about ) https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/monofilament-vorpal-and-protheion.37984/
Ah, I see someone did ask the question in the thread - and it was glossed past a little because there's a rules 'example' that overwrites how we'd expect the ammunition to work from first principles. Which kind of makes me want to re-open the question, because we already know that examples are not authoritative when it comes to Protheion...
FFS are you doing the thing again? Its not what IJW wants to see. Its the intent of the entire rules staff. You have been told countless times that Examples are not rules, many of them are copy pasted from n3 where things worked diferently. Sure its annoying but we have official, and final confirmation that Protheion doesnt work with either rule. I see your avatar, its safe to assume you play CA hence your biased opinion on the matter.
As often the answer is already hidden in the rules text, just not where you'd think to look for it first. That's on the bottom of the Melee Weapon Profile wiki Page. https://infinitythewiki.com/Melee_Weapon_Profile So while I completely agree with you that technically Mono would work like you laid out, this clarification text changes that into Dead replacing the loss of a Wound on a failed Save.
I don't really see any evidence to support that position. IJW seems to be making decisions unilaterally, especially considering the ruling about being able to declare AROs from anywhere on the table. Not only is it annoying, I had someone spring a ruling that was contrary to an example in the book in a league, which ended up having consequences for the outcome of the game. So IJW actively made my play experience worse. Plenty of people who don't play CA agree with me, in any case. So it's not a matter of biased opinion - IJW is the only person I know who thinks that CDG and Protheion *shouldn't* interact, and he's also in a position to make rulings on it.
Ignored? No. But they're not supposed to be assumed to override the written rules text. Anyway, there's definitely some ambiguity with Protheion and I would appreciate it if we got a couple of FAQs out of it in the next update.
I am pretty sure this question has been asked answered and has been told to wait for an FAQ if anything changes, there is no reason to ask the same question with another vector in hopes to change the provisional answer. There is no issue with the ammo type in the equation.
I just wanted to register that this has been addressed in the 1.1 FAQ; monofilament and coup de grace now both count as inflicting a single would for the purposes of protheion.
There is still a question left : what if you fail 2 ARM roll vs monofilament ? Does Nourkias gain 1 or 2 power up ?
Probably just one, AFAIK you can only go to Dead state once before removal from the table, and the number of Wounds inflicted by monofilament is zero, so there’s no way to trigger the Protheion clause of one power up per Wound inflicted.
