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Halt production on Karakuri poll

Discussion in 'Japanese Secessionist Army' started by wuji, May 5, 2021.

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CB should halt production till

  1. Scale is fixed

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  2. Scale and aesthetic design is fixed

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  3. Scale and design are fine

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    86.4%
  4. Scale is fine

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    8.5%
  5. Design is fine

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    1.7%
  6. Will not buy till scale is fixed

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  1. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    This fallacy that CB doesnt make mistakes is a joke. CB has admitted to making scale mistakes in the past already. And you're asking me to define scale for a unit when I'm comparing it visually to the whole range. Moderators were some of the smallest figures in the whole game. Unless CB didn't actually slap these on bases and what we're looking at is photoshop. I dont think its wise for anyone to wait till they unbox these to test their scale to the rest of the JSA range, yet alone the rest of the game. Let's be wise about this, if I'm right, it saves CB from over producing something that wont be bought. What would prevent people from buying it is if its proven that they are really small.
     
  2. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Lucky it's not my argument. This is:
    Majorities have been and indeed often are, wrong. I'm not claiming anything is enforceable, so please dial back the projections there. Text you quoted is in fact the truth and not just an opinion.
     
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  3. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    Also this forum is not the community, it's not even the largest active participation group.

    I actually am learning a lesson here though, the environment with the most participants that directly attack other members instead of their arguments is not the best place to seek public opinion. Despite so many people's large vocabularies, there is an extreme tendency toward hostility like lower animals, a cacophony of personal attacks and unchecked group think does not make value.
     
  4. Exuin.exe

    Exuin.exe Well-Known Member

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    This is literally an example of an opinion.
     
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  5. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    Are you denying the existence of trash Manga? Are you denying the existence of Manga that should not be used as source material for INFINITY?

    Their existence is fact.
     
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  6. Cthulhu363

    Cthulhu363 May his passage cleanse the world.

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    So why did you try to defend it if it wasn't your argument? Do you agree that the scale is wrong?
    Wuji, i think you are confusing SIZE and SCALE. You keep saying scale, but really mean size.
    "Despite so many people's large vocabularies, there is an extreme tendency toward hostility like lower animals, a cacophony of personal attacks and unchecked group think does not make value."
    I guess, if you think people disagreeing with you is a personal attack? Have you looked at the results of your poll? Maybe you are just wrong?
     
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  7. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Again, this doesn't mean they're out of scale, it means they're small.

    Are they intentionally that small? Maybe. Can you dislike them? Yes of course. I have yet to see compelling evidence that this is a mistake rather than a stylistic choice though.
     
  8. Exuin.exe

    Exuin.exe Well-Known Member

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    You said we shouldn't embrace it, which is your opinion. You said there is trash which is subject to taste and again your opinion. By definition that was an opinionated statement. Get off your high horse.
     
  9. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Them creating a mini that fits their vision of a unit cannot be “objectively wrong”. If I had any artistic or writing talent, and created a drawing of how I pictured the protagonist of my work, it cannot *be* wrong. Other folks might not like it, or it might not be to their taste, or they might not like the technical execution of it, but they cannot claim that I am wrong in my representation of my vision. Same here. You can pretty up your complaint any way you like, but this is a case where since they’re presenting their vision for the unit, there’s literally no way they can be wrong in their interpretation of their own vision. Again, you don’t have to like it/buy it/think it’s good/etc.
     
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  10. VladimirHerzog

    VladimirHerzog Active Member

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    You're so full of yourself. Look at your poll results, most people will purchase these karakuris and CB will not lose a penny on these. And thats with a poll that was built in a way to skew the answers towards the answer you wanted to hear as much as possible.

    Its perfectly fine that these be smaller than other models, they're meant to be deceptive and take their opponents by surprise.

    "lure them in with cute kawaii gestures then blast their faces with a panzerfaust/chain rifle when theyre not expecting it".
     
  11. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    I'm willing to submit both claims to scientific method. You can go out and disprove the existence of Boku no Piko and/or explain how it's not trash/unsuitable source material for INFINITY.

    What about when they used two different characters for 'Jia' on the Guijia logo. Must we assume that their vision was for it to be simultaneously called Turtle Shell and Turtle Home? Or that they didn't double check their pinyin to hanzi conversion. CB's fumbled execution of their vision in this case does not change the objective reality that the design is wrong.
     
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  12. VladimirHerzog

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    now youre changing your argument. Originally it was that trash anime existed. Now its that trash anime exists in the context of infinity? And Hentai isnt Anime btw. Thats like saying "You shouldnt use Marvel to make minis because porn exists"
     
  13. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    No one's inventing anything. If you look at the moderators overlay and the side by side of the old and new karakyri next to the garuda, you can see these Karakuri are smaller.
     
  14. Exuin.exe

    Exuin.exe Well-Known Member

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    Seriously get over yourself. Even if I agreed with your tastes on how things should be that'd still be my opinion along with yours. What you assert doesn't just become fact. There is no way to measure taste.
     
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  15. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    The results of the pill is separate from how people in this forum behave. Dont pretend like you dont know what I'm talking about.

    And as far as the poll goes, it is only one part of the infinity community. Just a month or so ago a poll from the fb group revealed a march larger participation that was almost unanimous and opposed the majority of opinions voiced here. And I'm actually certain what we're seeing here is more a result of antagonistic group think. Person reads comments before voting, comments effect opinion, and so on. Just cause this is a miniatures game doesnt mean its participants are immune to bad political tropes.
     
  16. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    De gustibus non est disputandum.
     
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  17. wuji

    wuji Well-Known Member

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    Sir, his point is certain japanese kinks and their derivatives should not be a war game like Infinity.

    And if you are trying to explain to people there is a difference between hentai and anime for the sake of winning the argument then you are deliberately missing his point. Dont so that, that kind of behavior makes this forum worse than it already is. You get his point, you dont agree with it, that's fine, if you associate with that niche of japanese illustrated media or take offense to people pointing out its relationship the vast majority of illustrated and animated japanese art with out anyone directly saying it to you then you justifiably should admit your perception of what was said its causing a bigger problem for you. I called these design concepts immature before, people took that as if I was calling them immature because they liked them. See the problem. That's why I implored discussion of ideas and not people.
     
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  18. the huanglong

    the huanglong Well-Known Member

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    You changed my argument with incorrect comprehension. I won't go too hard at you in case English is not your first language. But if it isn't I'd suggest putting the breaks on bold semantic claims in arguments you are not following well.
    See the original statement that brought trash manga into the argument.
    Does this not imply that being inspired by Manga makes the new Karakuri design less nonsensical? I was responding to it by pointing out how flawed this notion is.

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    You are now in a position where you must argue that the Boku No Pico Manga adaptation is not Manga. Make sure you use TOR for your research.
     
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    Exuin.exe Well-Known Member

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    No one is in a position to do anything. Again get off your high horse and stop patronizing people.
     
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