Playing IA as second player in N4

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by wes-o-matic, Dec 10, 2020.

  1. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Patently no. Hacking is an additional system. Hacking doesn't need to have a hacking device that will absolutely crush Interventors/KoJ hackers, because the K1 weapons exist and work against hackers. You can still shoot them like you did with Angus/Correira who were standing next to them.

    And even then if these super-strong hacking should exist, you know that Nomads would get them, right? So they can protect their super-hackers from being super-hacked and the factions that need a super-hacker to punch through a blockade of super-hackers will still have to make do with the light-weight, low-cost stuff you're complaining about.
     
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  2. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Hmmm, I think that CB intended for the KHD to be the hacking device that does that, but it's not. Thematically, it doesn't make sense that Nomads and the KoJ are this uber tier of hacker that other hackers can't touch; Nomads are supposed to have a strong hacking game, sure, but PanO really isn't, and other factions like CA are supposed to as well.

    An Interventor is actually more afraid of a regular HD than a KHD, because the regular HD can hit them with Spotlight and then Guided. That's bad design.

    Sure, give more factions the tools to kill the uberhackers. I don't see the problem.
     
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  3. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Well you do because of how hacking functions in N4. You can't ignore these models when the Interventor is sitting at the back of the table destroying your army through pitchers. Hacking isn't something you can just ignore anymore. You say "just go and stab him", that's a pretty unreasonable ask to make happen before it completely ruins your army, especially if you're going second at the moment.


    Well that was kinda the point of the KHD, you could attempt to trade for problem models with it if necessary.
     
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  4. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    The body count for my Hac Tao ML in my last game against NCA was an Aquila, an Auxbot, a Clipper, and Shona Carano.
     
  5. pedro_fgomes

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    I tried to play a bit around trying to have some mid filed presence with IA, which can also be useful for ITS missions where you need to infiltrate the enemy's half to get some objectives:


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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    DĀOYĪNG (Lieutenant [+1 Order], Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)
    HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
    SON-BAE Yaókòng Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    HÚLÁNG (Forward Deployment [+8"], Minelayer]) Submachine Gun(+1B), E/M Grenades, D-Charges, Crazykoala / Pistol, Monofilament CC Weapon. (0 | 42)
    KOKRAM (Forward Deployment [+8"], Minelayer) Heavy Shotgun, E/Mitter, E/M Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Heavy Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 41)
    ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, Panzerfaust, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 35)
    RUI SHI Spitfire / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 23)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]1
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
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    Do you guys it would be feasible? it doesn't have that much firepower apart from the core and the Rui Shi, or many ARO pieces. but at least I think it can slow an opponent down.
     
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  6. wes-o-matic

    wes-o-matic feeelthy casual

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    Nice. I’ve been finding that an aggressive midfield hacker can do more work than the DZ hacker LT, who can’t project force until there are repeaters up. I might downgrade the Daoying to the 22 point LT profile and use the points freed up to make the Zhencha a hacker. That means both the Zhencha’s ZoC and the area around Krit’s repeater are Spotlight threat areas. It also puts a hacker forward in case you have one of the hacking Classifieds, and he can still do the FO Classifieds with Spotlight.
     
  7. pedro_fgomes

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    Yeah, and with a regular LT daoying you can have the hacker zhencha and a FO zhanshi in the core. No loss of specialists :)
     
  8. Pripekarius

    Pripekarius New Member

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    Last 2 games I tried playing something like this:
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    HǍIDÀO (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
    ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 16)
    ZHANSHI (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 13)
    PANGGULING FTO (Repeater) Light Shotgun ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 12)
    ZHĒNCHÁ (Forward Observer) Submachine Gun, Panzerfaust, Shock Mines / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 35)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) AP Heavy Machine Gun, Chain-colt ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon. (1.5 | 49)
    PANGGULING (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)
    ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    RUI SHI Spitfire / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 23)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    KOKRAM (Forward Deployment [+8"], Minelayer) Heavy Shotgun, E/Mitter, E/M Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Heavy Pistol(+1B), CC Weapon. (0 | 41)
    DĀOYĪNG (Lieutenant [+1 Order]) Boarding Shotgun / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 22)
    CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

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    Went quite smooth. Although I'm considering changing Rui Shi to Son-Bae because sometimes that guided is really needed and Rui Shi spent most of the time parked in DZ.
    Also EVO needs to be swapped in with Yaokong group 2, because link consumes too many orders and I didn't have spare ones to turn on EVO programs for Rui Shi
     
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