Hi guys, I am thinking of starting basic tacticas for N4 in the style of my N3 invincible army one, which one would you like to see or think it would be more usefull to the community?
I think we need a White Banner tactica. WB playstyle are different then IA or ISS. It will be more useful for newcomers from Code One and our community.
I think I agree with Cheshirrre. ISS and IA (despite some fantastic fireteam upgrades) are more or less known quantities. I think a WB or Vanilla tactica would benefit the community the most.
WB is the closest sectorial to vanilla. has very good single pieces, camos and plays mindgames. It's probably the best candidate to start sectorials after kaldstrom ISS is in good shape. That wildcards inside the kuangshi farm seem interesting. It is better equiped for area denial with kanrens, zhanying and pheasant, has anti camo tools, and works well around Smoking combo and CC Invincible is more built towards nob frustration in this edition. Hacking and CC that are going wild in N4 are 2 of the major weakspots of invincible. It doesn't have too much of a safety network, area denial and board control... It's main assets are expensive etc...
I think each subfaction has gained enough new life to it that they're all worthy of some serious exploration. I still think White Banner is a hot mess, but not without its merits. I think it might be better to start with a slow burn vanilla tactica. Focus on one trooper over a period of time, analyze it within vanilla and its respective sectorials over the course of a week with player discourse and discussion, and then add it to the board and move on to the next. Trying to do a faction wholesale sounds like a dubious endeavour.
Just wanted to add, having a tactica for YJ would be fantastic in general. When I started a year ago, the only one I could really find was the one off 1d4chan.
I think what yu-jing could use overall is a tactica about hacking. We're the most hackable faction in the human sphere so we need an answer to it, but we might also be able to capitalize on the abundance of tinbot -6 in our sectorials to become a scary hacking threat on our own.
Besides inaccessible Repeaters, I can't agree that the challenges that IA face are insurmountable. They are more of the type I'd classify as interesting gameplay challenges.
Doing IA lists is harder believe me. It's a constant struggle with the points. You're constantly forced to introduce crappier units, downgrading options and taking out the juice. Even after the update, the backbone of the list didn't change much. zuyongs cost the same, taishen cost the same, zenchas cost the same, liuxing costs the same, hulangs cost the same, daoying slightly increase, haidao slightly decrease,... the ones that were more favoured are the powerhouses: shangji, yanhuo, guijia and mowang.
I'm a bit biased because I picked up ISS for the start of N4 and would love to get some up-to-date input on it. Still, I think the forum as a whole would benefit most from a WBA tactica.
Wait Zuyong are 1-3 points cheaper Tai sheng 45/49 --> 39/44. And she is a wildcard now Zencha got shock immunity which is huge Liu Xing are 1-3 cheaper except for the shotgun, and got courage and +2 PH for the jump (lost bio immunity though). These 10% are worth the trade Hulang are really different. Cheap profile, koalas with minelayer, ODD. They are way better! And he's a wildcard too! IA seems much better to me now. The Pangguling being cheaper is also a boon for them.
On IA point cost, keep in mind that the loss of free hackbuff on the daoying s a very big deal for a lot of build. If you want fairy dust, controlled jump for your liu xing or assisted fire on your luduan/rui shi you need to pay 15pts for the evo bot...
Yeah, but they've increased the weight of the IA problems. You can no longer use the LT+1 orders to offer support. they can only be of use for NCOs ¿how many NCOs are on your lists costing the skill 3points and the LT2 another 2? EVO is a must and it feeds on regular orders and takes 1 spor towards 10 man lists BS profiles were the cheap affordable piece to complement+fill fireteams... now a BS costs the same or more than a combi They've reduced the quantity of Tac. Awarenes on zuyong linkteams (if yo're not wanting to pay for extra High CAP weapons) Hacking one of the weakspots of the army is hugely reinforced CC the other big weakspot of the army is hugely reinforced. Willing to pay for a Hulang FTO? We keep being short on MSVs in fireteams to deal with camo/mimetism/smoke We keep with little board control. One infiltrator of 40ish points and one mine will not hold a thing. espeially being hackable and without camo We keep without cheap reliable options against TR bots. Every faction has a Infiltrator with mimetism+camo+combi, we have: - a cammo sniper (not too reliable), - a SMG infiltrator (BS at 9s or 6s on +0 rangeband or wasting a lot of orders) and - a Hactao (so expensive, that implies making the list around him) Engineers inside fireteams are supposed to be the solution to the ammout of negative on our fireteams, but those same engineers are the priority targets of Hacking. One oblivion/EM and the engineer is no more of use Working around those problems imply paying taxes, including expensive units, breaking your head with all the pieces fitting in, and making lists weird and chunky.
Zuyong have the same number of TacAware profiles as before, they just reduced the CAP/SWC cost on the Combi version (and added a bunch of profiles to Shang-Ji).
Yeah, but is a must because you have mildfield HIs that need cover and doesn't have tinbot AD troops All the ofensive MSVs are on remotes tinbots are now on ofensive/reactive pieces so you can loose them fast Are you willing to pay twice for tinbots? that makes the cost of extra orders from 3p up to 5p for an irregular order making Invincible lists is a headache
I don't Know if the LT+1 worths it any more. I don't want my LT to be hackable. I don't want my LT to be an ARO piece, and I don't know if I want to pay 22points (if they don't actually change it) in a glorified cheerleader for what 2 zhanshis, one of them LT can offer (BTW with less probable order losses if I loose my NCO)
I'd disagree. IA is in a great place now with well protected aggressive Haris and some very decent resilient units that can exploit order shenanigans. Struggling with a TR bot? Bang a B5 AP HMG or HRMC into it. Drop a HI behind it and put a boarding shotgun in at bad range bands. BTS6 and Tinbot (-6) make for some resilient units vs hacking. If you're worried about lone units being vulnerable then use a repeater and Tinbot linked KHD to clear out the hacking threats. Or the camo/stealth our lone units tend to have. Cheong is perhaps the single greatest addition to IA, bringing a non-hackable cheap (compared to alternatives) link filler engineer, with repeater for KHD coverage to our links. And I just spent an entire game cleaning up Shasvastii with boarding shotgun templates. Well worth the points change. As I said at the beginning, IA is in a good place. It finally feels like a flexible elite (in terms of order skills and equipment) HI force with enough good kit to cover its traditional weaknesses. Edit: clarify Cheong is cheap compared to other IA wildcards. Still expensive.
