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Hack the Planet! The Bakunin Jurisdictional Command Tactica

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by helsbecter, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. SpectralOwl

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    Icebreaker. Harder to win a FTF with than a Zero abusing its Marker and Carbonite modifiers, but against BTS 9-12 targets it has a better chance of actually accomplishing something. Granted it's kind of rare, but if your meta is full of BTS 9-12 stuff like Asawiras or Gwailos using Fairy Dust it may be worth considering. It also lets you combine an AHD and Boarding Shotgun on the same unit, a very powerful combination against certain Fireteams since it lets you immobilise the point man and send high-BS templates through the helpless REM or HI onto their teammates.
     
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  2. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    If you're down to "situations in which Icebreaker is actually useful to use on the active turn" then you're deep into edge case land. WRT Fairy Dust that puts you at B2 11s vs B1 14s, which is an extremely good way to waste orders.

    Most high BTS targets are better solved by a firm application of Morlock EM CCW to the face.

    If you want Icebreaker like performance outside of a Fireteam then Zoe is a better option: WIP15 Stop! is almost as good as WIP14 Icebreaker vs high BTS and better outside of those edge cases. You can easily pair her with one of the plentiful Repeaters and BSGs in Nomads (Zero EMauler in particular is a favourite: the Reset / Dodge fork between Stop! and an EMauler is extremely good fun). Otherwise you're better off with the combo of HD+ Pitcher and Healer BSG (Order 1 Move + Pitcher, Order 2 Move + Hack, Order 3 Move + Hack, Order 4 Move + BSG W/Healer) as the multiple attempts you can make on approach tends to account for the lower odds of success. Yes, you can do that with the AHD + Healer but then I need a 3rd model to cover against MSV2 AROs.

    Aside: in Vanilla I specifically take the BSG + EMauler Bandit for this problem. So it's a crying same that there isn't a Prowler BSG+AHD (without Grenades that's 34pts), it might just be worth taking (albeit Bio-immunity + Hacking could do with some better synergies IE. make DT and Breaker Bio ammo) mainly because slapping D-Charges on an IMM-1 enemy is great fun.

    My personal POV is just kill the AHD profiles and remove Icebreaker from the game (replace it with Stop!). Give Stop! to Custodier HD+s, add a Multi-Rifle Custodier profile and allow Custodiers to link with Moiras. Or do the reverse and realise how important White Noise is to the Observance and give it to all the Observance AHDs as an Upgrade: because, yeah in a list without REMs a Custodier/Moira AHD with White Noise would in fact be worth taking. The problem is, in any Bakunin list where you're taking Observance and expecting to face high BTS HI then White Noise is too important to pass up.

    Similarly add Multi-terrain to Healers and Custodiers or remove it from Moiras because god-fucking-damn is a mixed Multi-terrain/not-Multiterrain MI link a fucking nightmare. I'd probably go with no Multi-terrain but Zero-G for all 4 Observance instead. It's about a 1pt discount on Moiras and means that they all can ignore non-specific Difficult terrain (as in Rescue).
     
  3. Davetron

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    Yeah, it's primarily because thematically it's just cool ...

    As for utility, as you point out, you pay a lot of points and there are other options--Zoe and Zeros--that can provide a similar hacking threat.

    I've not ever run a link team with multiple hackers, and so I've not experienced the annoyance of having to use the same hacking programme in ARO. It's too bad that the ARO rules short-change link teams with multiple hackers.

    Here's hoping that N4 returns the Custodiers to a better place.
     
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  4. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    I read some of the OP and it's way out of date. I hate to rewrite at the end of N3, though... anybody heard news lately about our hotfix?
     
  5. MattB89

    MattB89 Well-Known Member

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    Bakunin is getting a hotfix?
     
  6. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    I remember reading that wildcard updates would eventually come for the sectorials that didn't have them, like Bakunin, ISS, and CHA.
     
  7. Jason839

    Jason839 Well-Known Member

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    Was that before they announced N4? I could see them doing the changes spring and then N4 coming fall/winter.
     
  8. Hachiman Taro

    Hachiman Taro Inverted gadfly

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    Hopefully it's not an instance of classic CB / gamer ADD. Start updating factions then forget about finishing it before it is done because of a new shiney (defiance / N4).
     
  9. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    Stopping by to post the lists I've been running lately.

    6r1
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9
    RIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 33)
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
    RIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    RIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    RIOT GRRL (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 10)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    ZERO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    SALYUT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TASKMASTER Lieutenant Red Fury, Pulzar, CrazyKoalas + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 53)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    Undecided if a Taskmaster LT is necessary for this list. He is nearly always useful, but he has a bad habit of stealing the show from the Grrls. The immediate alternative is something like a lunokhod and two more moderators, which is comparable defensively and is +1 order after throwing my LT order in the trash. I've tried a million variations of this list and I still haven't decided how to fill out the points. I can definitely say the Reaktion Zond is not good here, however.

    6r2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 17)
    ZOE & PI-WELL . (0 | 47)
    [​IMG] ZOE (Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Stop!) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] PI-WELL Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 19)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]3
    ZERO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    ZERO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)
    REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    TASKMASTER Lieutenant Red Fury, Pulzar, CrazyKoalas + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (1 | 53)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    BAKUNIN ÜBERFALLKOMMANDO . (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] CHIMERA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Viral CCW. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] x3 PUPNIK DA CCW. (0 | 3)
    BAKUNIN ÜBERFALLKOMMANDO . (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] CHIMERA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Viral CCW. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] x3 PUPNIK DA CCW. (0 | 3)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    4 SWC | 300 Points

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    This is a recent creation for me and it's turned out to be insanely powerful. I really want one more order for group 2, but I'd have to downgrade the zeroes to make it fit. I also want to try a tsyklon spitfire in place of the TR bot, even though I don't think it will be better.
     
  10. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    I've run a version very similar to your second list with a TM Duo (HMG + BSG) and triple Zeroes. I did away with the Mod Core to make it fit. Was fun.
     
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  11. Tourniquet

    Tourniquet TJC Tech Support

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    I've found the TM LT incredibly useful to either push forward and bully scoring areas, or hang out protecting the back field and not dying until late turn 2/ turn 3 and then committing it. With Custodier support it a great tool for putting down visor AROs without the need for coordination (Though the HRL is slightly better at it).

    Out of curiosity in regards to your second list, do you find yourself being order starved at all with what appears to be your primary hitters all in the same group which also has a high amount of irregs? Or do you just bounce your best option over to the larger pool top of the turn and go from there?
     
  12. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    I love the Taskmaster LT to death but his HMG cousin doesn't do it for me. Sharp sculpt, but losing the LT order AND being obligated to shell out for suppression fire sucks.

    This. I'll move the better-placed uberfall team to group 1. I've found that two teams are more than twice as good as one. It's easy for a single uberfall team to be outdeployed but when I have a second squad one can always march.
     
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  13. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    It's why I only take the HMG as part of a Duo with the BSG. It splits the RF's capabilities across 4Ws and allows you to he highly aggressive with it from the get go.
     
  14. Greg23

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    I'm having a hard time making a 300 point Bakunin list. I can never fit in everything I want. Here's the latest attempt. Thoughts?
    Jurisdictional Command of Bakunin
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    REVEREND CUSTODIER Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 34)
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    RIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL MULTI Rifle, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 32)
    RIOT GRRL (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
    RIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 33)
    ZERO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    SALYUT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]2
    REVEREND MOIRA MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 34)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)

    6 SWC | 300 Points

    Here's another list
    Jurisdictional Command of Bakunin
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8
    ZOE & PI-WELL . (0 | 47)
    [​IMG] ZOE (Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Stop!) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] PI-WELL Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 19)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    LIZARD MULTI HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 87)
    [​IMG] LIZARD PILOT Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. ()
    MODERATOR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    ZERO Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]2
    BAKUNIN ÜBERFALLKOMMANDO . (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] CHIMERA Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Viral CCW. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] x3 PUPNIK DA CCW. (0 | 3)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0 | 6)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    SIN-EATER HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 33)

    5 SWC | 298 Points

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    Jurisdictional Command of Bakunin
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  15. helsbecter

    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    List #1, change the multi RG to a combi, drop the clockmaker & zondbot, then replace it with two of either transductors or moderators and a morlock. That will get you a morlock and a thirteenth order, both of which are critical imo.

    To explain, you don't need the clockmaker since you have nothing worthwhile to repair. The multi-rifle overlaps the spitfire in utility. You don't need the zondbot because the only models you truly need to heal are Riot Grrls. You could say, oh, I need the zondbot for that moira, but she'll be your reserve and will often wind up in weird places.

    I don't like custodier LTs, but they're reasonably efficient and make good use of the LT order. Play some games and make your own decision on that one.

    List #2, I'd drop either Zoe or the Lizard. They are too expensive to co-exist (this is the lizard's fault.) Whoever you drop, spend the points on more orders and warbands.
     
  16. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Zoe + Lizard is AWESOME.

    Compare group 1 with group 2. You end up with the same capabilities for a +0.5SWC -3pts difference.

    Jurisdictional Command of Bakunin
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    LIZARD MULTI HMG, Heavy Grenade Launcher / . (2.5 | 87)
    [​IMG] LIZARD PILOT Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. ()
    ZOE & PI-WELL undefined. (0 | 47)
    [​IMG] ZOE (Hacking Device. UPGRADE: Stop!) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] PI-WELL Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 19)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    LIZARD MULTI HMG, Heavy Grenade Launcher / . (2.5 | 87)
    [​IMG] LIZARD PILOT Submachine Gun / Pistol, Knife. ()
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    MODERATOR Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 17)
    CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    STEMPLER ZOND Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)

    5.5 SWC | 287 Points

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    OTOH I think that works better in Vanilla then Bakunin.
     
  17. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Bakunin's best Morlock trainer
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    Your Riot Grrl list appears to be a bit confused, at least from my point of view.
    What's the purpose of a HDplus in a list full of MSV troops and without remotes? Ok, you could put white noise on the MSG Moira but you already have a fully linked Missile Launcher which can do the Moira's work even better. Further, since you don't have any remotes that would need buffing, the Custodier is overpriced for what she'll be then needed: pushing buttons. For this the A/KHD Zero is more than enough.


    Jurisdictional Command of Bakunin
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    MODERATOR Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0 | 6)
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
    RIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 33)
    RIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL (Specialist Operative) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
    ZERO Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 24)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    MORLOCK Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 6)
    SALYUT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    SIN-EATER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 33)
    WARCOR (360º Visor) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    ZERO (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

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    That's my take on your list, I swapped the Moira for the Sin-Eater who is a bit better for the Moira's assumed job. Further I kicked the Clockmaker out of the list to get all these Morlocks (since smoke is good for anyone but PanO) this is a risk, especially against armies with a high ammout of Isolate or Immobilize 2 stuff but again: Morlocks. Sacrificing the Multi Rifle Grrl for a Warcor (another option would be a 2nd ZondBot for the Daktari) was hard for me but a Flash Pulse is the greater annoyance for your opponent
     
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  18. Greg23

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    helsbecter Ultrademocratic subSenator, #dominion Module

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    hell yeah artwork shown for Zero BSG & Zero MSR in the trailer today
     
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  20. Ugin

    Ugin Well-Known Member
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    You mean this? I didn't know they are Zeros.
     
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