Dr Cancon: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Just Roll Dice

A TAG is one of most powerful attack piece of any list because they are fast resistent and equiped with heavy weapons backed by Fat L1. A Kamau can win a FtF but will rarely win the fight. Preventing to make any sort of attack thanks to stunned state gives you the possibility that your main ARO piece won't get killed and by this make the turn of your opponent harder.

 

Ah, I see.
Thanks for clarification

 

You stun a TAG that has 9 orders left to play with. Ask yourself what the now stunned TAG can do with said 9 orders.

 

Agreed with above. To elaborate on why I like this so much:
Something like the Kamau is likely to get lucky once, perhaps twice, but as great as it is, it usually isn't likely to win the ARO war. If your Kamau Sniper wins once, you want that shot to have as much lasting impact as possible. Against Most 1-Wound units, a Double Action round is very likely to knock them Unconscious, so it's a good option.

Against a TAG though, a lucky DA hit (even a DA Crit) isn't going to remove the TAG from play. Same with AP.

With Stun however, you leverage your one lucky hit into a state that alters the game. Yes, it doesn't do any damage to the TAG's Structure points, but it does effectively remove the TAG from play for an entire turn. This is a really big deal, perhaps even bigger than an E/M / Isolate success, because unlike those states... Stun can't be removed or repaired. Your opponent can't do anything to reverse the effect, and loses the benefit of his power piece.

 

Is there ever a reason to use AP against anything lighter than a Jotum?

 

Probably not.

 

AP's got a better chance of forcing through one failed save against ARM8+ TAGs in cover, but DA's got better odds of inflicting multiple Wounds of course, so it's pretty much always the better option. So AP has some applicability, but it's not particularly great. It's nicer to actually think of MSRs as just DA or Stun, rather than DA or AP. I think that's probably entrenched from before the slight MSR buff.

 

That's how I've been doing it but AP was brought up so I thought I'd check if people found something. Weird seemingly useless things get discovered as useful all the time.

 

Totally. I was actually reflecting on my own surprise that I even mentioned AP in my earlier post... Every game I've played in the last 3 years has had a MULTI Sniper in some form, since I've been using Hexas, Acon Regulars, Bagh Mari, and now the Kamau... And I haven't fired AP once. That's like 500 games . From my angle, no, I don't think you're missing much...

 

Sorry to interject on the ap vs da discussion. But ap is better then da against all arm 8 and above (in or out of cover) tags for the purposes of doing atleast 1 wound to the tag. If you are spending as many orders as it takes to kill the tag, ap is the highest chance to do so. (as far as I can tell using a dice calculator).

 

Intruder MSR has been my signature since he was 51 points and between Token, MSV, and MSR tricks I've had seemingly infinite epiphanies on how to use him, so I'm always on the lookout.
Stun was a big game changer, sticking a Dog Warrior in place instead of transforming him or being ARM rolled is great.

 

Gonna be honest, saw your first post and I was confused. I double checked before I made the post and used a fusilier sniper shooting at an idle marut just to double check, and the numbers supported what I said.

But I checked against the marut in cover. I just assume i'm always shooting at things in cover when I do the dice calculator that I didnt spend the time looking without it. Lol. That is interesting that the answer depends on cover/no cover for ap on even the highest arm tags.

 

Wonder how much OSS made it at this big tournament.

Bet is high. I'm still wondering their weaknesses..

 

I wouldn't waste any brain power on when to use the AP.

 

That idea of using Stun Ammo against TAGs is brilliant, since it will stop that unit's Rambo.