Ah well, sorry then. You didn't mention IA specifically in that post and I assumed you were talking about Santiago KHD. Still, I took the chance to put post some of the general conclussions I have so far about MO. I agree with all you said, IA looks amazing for those reasons and as @Skoll I was feeling mostly jealous of them. But well aside from IA looking neat (damn it I might even buy it) I think MO looks pretty fun and probably we still need to adjust and completely change our playstyle to make some sense out of it. Also jealousy didn't consume me entirely because as I see it we got two sectorials from the last book, MO is a bit puzzling and I'm still not sure what to do with it, but I think Varuna is simply amazing and probably better than IA. Also a confession from my part: I never played the Hospitaliers + Magisters link before. Not a single time. I always played Santiagos or some mix of OS and TAG even, and Santiagos + Magisters link just got better, that's why I don't feel like we've lost that much on that regard. The only real downside, and a big one, we have now with MO is the Lieutenant, and I think I'm repeating this more than it's healthy already.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I quoted from @Section9 so it looks like we’re in agreement. And yeah, I thought he drinking game was every time he DOES mention teutons. It’s no fun this way.
Thanks, I needed a drink! :) Seriously dude, we get you don't like Teutons, please stop mentioning it. At this point it's starting to become beating a dead horse.
As an exchange student from the UK told me: Life is too short to live it sober! (This was after I told him that life was too short to drink shitty booze).
I propose a secondary drinking game that will kill me. I will drink every time you defend a shitty unit. I get you like the throating the white and black trouser snake, but stop polishing a turd and selling it as gold.
Who's defending Teutons? I mean, I'd like to know the goodness others see in them. I only see myself using the NCO profile very ocassionally if I have the SWC to spare and I don't feel like taking the Santiago Spitfire over him, which I think will be very rarely. And I think I would never consider using the other loadouts. I am also starting to think we might be going in circles and someone should write a MO tactica...
He has been consistently and trying to push lists with them on it. Hell he only thinks i consistently talk about them because i keep replying to those lists with better lists which include the Santiago spitfire instead. But such is life.
I have been playing around with the Harris option in lists, but I have no desire to put anything I create on the table. Whilst a Teuton core isn't "bad" compared to other factions ( mobile brigada don't have stealth either, for example), it just doesn't stand up to other options available. The spitfire NCO gets an extra order, but loses the fireteam stealth, so I would rather take the Santiago, explosive CCW is great in theory, but how do I get it there, and the Harris option is only useful if you perhaps want two cheap missile launchers, or a couple of magister's as well, anything else is better in the hospitaler Harris. So yeah, I don't think the Teutons are objectively bad, it's just evetytime I try and put them in a list I take them out and replace them with the better options we have. I almost want someone from cb to write an article on how they think they should be used, as we must be missing a trick somewhere! Sent from my SM-A520F using Tapatalk
Hell he only thinks i consistently talk about them because i keep replying to those lists with better lists which include the Santiago spitfire instead. [/QUOTE] Not true, and anybody who looks back through the thread will notice that you are currently the only person bringing them up, only to make the same obnoxious, unnuanced comments over and over again. We get it, you hate Teutons, anybody who thinks differently is a moron. Yeah, I've been using it in Vanilla for those times when I have a cheap cheerleader Fusilier, at which point being able to use the LT order instead of passing on it is very nice. NCO is unique, not something we can get anywhere else in the faction, but probably best used outside of MO. As for how to get into CC with the EXP profile, here is the same list of techniques that Skoll failed to refute before. https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/mo-update.26068/page-15#post-190897
Not true, and anybody who looks back through the thread will notice that you are currently the only person bringing them up, only to make the same obnoxious, unnuanced comments over and over again. We get it, you hate Teutons, anybody who thinks differently is a moron. Yeah, I've been using it in Vanilla for those times when I have a cheap cheerleader Fusilier, at which point being able to use the LT order instead of passing on it is very nice. NCO is unique, not something we can get anywhere else in the faction, but probably best used outside of MO. As for how to get into CC with the EXP profile, here is the same list of techniques that Skoll failed to refute before. https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/mo-update.26068/page-15#post-190897[/QUOTE] Your list of get into cc with teuton literally consisted of walking into cc with teuton. The rest of the list did little more to need refuting, you actually claimed that holo 2 was a cc delivery mechanism which i did refute, because that is a laughably stupid claim. You keep posting moronic teuton lists, and i keep refuting them. Whenever IA is brought up in comparison to MO , the rework is brought up so its only natural that the elephant in the room be beat. You keep engaging the posts because you feel a weird masochistic need to defend a bad unit. It is tired how you keep trying to sell them, potentially misleading newer players into taking bad options just because you enjoy a unit that's bad. Tell you what you stop posting lists with teutons in them and ill stop bringing up that they are bad. Also stop implying you can just walk into combat with a unit, and praising a berserk HI with an ap ccw. That is objectively a bad combo.
Or maybe people are just sick and fed up of poor players blaming the profiles ? I wasnt a fan of the tuetons minor changes. but as others pointed out, on a CC unit, the core and haris linkability with cheap filler Magisters actually operates as a means of providing the unit with a role. And that role is as our top tier CC unit. theres nothing in the game that can shrug a B3 EXP Zerker hit and taking a haris to achieve that which can also score objectives is certainly a fantastic niche for tuetons that they didnt have before. The changes to them in the list is subtle and relies more on the changes to the rest of the list than to the tuetons themselves but it now undeniably exists. As to the abillity to get them into combat....well with the order efficiency offered by linking them, access to Joans coordinated order and B2 BS14 panzerfaust shots it should be a minor problem these days. (Additionally if your opponent is keeping its heavy hitters away from corners you can force ZOC AROs at then the tuetons are also acting as a fairly major detterent) While it may be fair to say they arent fantastic its unfair to call them trash. their biggest problem has always been a lack of unique role within the MO list, internal competition and limitations placed on the structure of MO through the old Confere rule. All three of those problems have been adressed to different degrees and as such regardless of liking or disliking Tuetons they are undeniably better and more interesting an option as a result.
Oh please dont come at me with that bull shit. The amount of effort required to bring a teuton magister haris into base to base, also the fact that its bloody 94 point minimum for 2 sets of combi rifles and a light shotgun (surprise the exp ccw is Not on the haris profile) means they are basically trash. Dont try to over sell it, hell against the majority of targets the magister ends up being better cc specialist for the price, and he can already form part of your useful core to get higher burst da. This isnt a the player thing, the teuton did lack a unique role in mo, it wasn't the cheapest , and it didnt do anything special. The subtle changes havent ammended that , all they've done is allow someone to commit 1/3rd of their army to a cc haris, that has every chance to get isolated or hacked along the way. You know the worst part? If the haris was at least equipped with the exp ccw id have given it to you, a teuton , magister , os haris with the sole purpose of threatening cc, and allowing magister panzerfaust and os hrl aros might have been a decent if gimmicky option. But you dont get that now do you? Also for a lower price you can literally bring an hmg hospitaller haris with os filler, which does a lot more for the sectorial and is cheaper to boot.
