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Corregidor list for Battleground

Discussion in 'Nomads' started by Greenhadouken, Aug 31, 2023.

  1. Greenhadouken

    Greenhadouken Active Member

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    Hi all! So my LGS is starting a ITS 14 league and the first round is Battleground. I'm thinking of running this list.

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    I'm not exactly sure what my opponent is bringing, but its either Haqqislam (not sure what sectoral or if vanilla) or MO. I'm thinking the above list if he brings MO. If he brings Haqqislam I'll bring a slight variation of that list more like this.

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    I'm mostly seeing if my thought process is on the right track and what you all think. Any and all
     
  2. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Well-Known Member

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    For ease of discussion, the lists are replicated below:

    300pt Hacker list
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    JAZZ FTO undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] JAZZ FTO (Hacker, Number 2) Combi Rifle, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 22)
    WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    ALGUACIL (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 10)
    ALGUACIL (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    CARLOTA KOWALSKY Breaker Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Adhesive Launcher(+1B), D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    SOMBRA (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Light Shotgun ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 43)
    LOBO (Specialist Operative) Breaker Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower(+1 Dam), Flash Pulse(+1B) / Breaker Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 25)
    DIABLO Combi Rifle, Flammenspeer / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Trench-Hammer. (0 | 20)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    BANDIT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher ( ) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    BANDIT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher ( ) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
    MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    5.5 SWC | 300 Points
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    300pt Hacker list with Virtigo Zound
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    JAZZ FTO undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] JAZZ FTO (Hacker, Number 2) Combi Rifle, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 22)
    WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23)
    ALGUACIL (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 10)
    ALGUACIL (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    CARLOTA KOWALSKY Breaker Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Adhesive Launcher(+1B), D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    SOMBRA (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Light Shotgun ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 43)
    LOBO (Specialist Operative) Breaker Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower(+1 Dam), Flash Pulse(+1B) / Breaker Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 25)
    DIABLO Combi Rifle, Flammenspeer / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Trench-Hammer. (0 | 20)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    BANDIT (Hacker, Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher ( ) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0.5 | 27)
    BANDIT Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 28)
    MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
    VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    6 SWC | 300 Points
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    I would not recommend taking that many hackers as you can usually get away with only a few. The first list definitely needs some longer range SWC weapons as you could get locked down by a power SWC piece. I would recommend the following changes while keeping with the spirit of the original list:

    300pt Hacker list (Revision)
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]1
    JAZZ FTO undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] JAZZ FTO (Hacker, Number 2) Combi Rifle, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 22)
    WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    ALGUACIL (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 10)
    ALGUACIL (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    SOMBRA (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Light Shotgun ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 43)
    BANDIT (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher ( ) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 25)
    INTRUDER Heavy Machine Gun, Grenades / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 41)
    CARLOTA KOWALSKY Breaker Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Adhesive Launcher(+1B), D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    DIABLO Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Trench-Hammer. (0 | 15)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    LOBO (Specialist Operative) Breaker Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower(+1 Dam), Flash Pulse(+1B) / Breaker Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 25)
    MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
    MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
    6 SWC | 300 Points
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    It gives you some long range firepower, MSV2 with the ability to do smoke tricks, and a KHD. You do lose one order, but you have more flexibility and power to project.

    For the other list, I suggest a minor change:

    300pt Hacker list with Virtigo Zound Rev 2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    JAZZ FTO undefined / undefined. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] JAZZ FTO (Hacker, Number 2) Combi Rifle, Pitcher, Cybermines / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 22)
    WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 23)
    ALGUACIL (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 10)
    ALGUACIL (Paramedic) Combi Rifle ( | MediKit) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    CARLOTA KOWALSKY Breaker Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Adhesive Launcher(+1B), D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 30)
    SOMBRA (Hacker, Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, Light Shotgun ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 43)
    LOBO (Specialist Operative) Breaker Combi Rifle, Light Flamethrower(+1 Dam), Flash Pulse(+1B) / Breaker Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 25)
    DIABLO Combi Rifle, Flammenspeer / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Trench-Hammer. (0 | 20)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5
    INTRUDER (Hacker, Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 38)
    MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
    MORAN (Repeater) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse, Crazykoala ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 17)
    VERTIGO ZOND Missile Launcher / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1.5 | 16)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)
    6 SWC | 300 Points
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    The Intruder will be able to deal with most Haqqislam threats and keeps you from being smoked out. The dual Morans give you a strong repeater network to take advantage of the Vertigo Zond.

    Let me know what you think.
     
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  3. Greenhadouken

    Greenhadouken Active Member

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    I see your point. Running with the intude makes a lot more sense. I do like using the dual Moran. Having those repeaters up feild is great. This gives me a bit more confidence. The guy I'm playing is one of the better players at my LGS.
     
  4. Greenhadouken

    Greenhadouken Active Member

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    So what do you think of the Lobo, Diablo, JAGUAR Harris? I'm not sure if I like it, but it seems more versatile than the Senor Massacre/JAGUAR Harris. Is there a better Harris option for around the same points?
     
  5. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, it really comes down to one's style of play. On the forum, people don't seem to like Lobos or Diablos, but I don't have any experience with them. They are relatively new units and are probably fine. Inertia can drive a lot of unit choices and can sometimes lead to people not trying new things.

    The most important thing is what is your plan for the Haris? What is the role you have given it for the game? For example, let's look at the orginal. The linked Jaguar gives you a reliable smoke that you can use to allow your forces to maneuver. The Diablo cheap is a 2 wound counter charge unit that can be opportunistic with the flammenspeer. The Lobo seems to be your shooter unit that brings unique tools.

    One can argue that Senor Massacre can do a similar role as the Lobo for roughly the same points and brings the rare Eclipse grenades. I can see the pros and cons of each. The Lobo shooting weapons are a great and dangerous toolbox. You have to respect 15 Damage (Continuous) templates and 14 Damage breaker. Massacre is better in CC, but Lobos are not bad either.

    Another Haris that can do a similar role at a similar price point is a Amadeus/Jaguar/Jaguar. Amadeus in a link is good shooter and a burst 5 multirifle with climbing+ can do some work.

    Just feel free to experiment and find what works for you.
     
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    csjarrat Well-Known Member

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    Some great advice above. Just to expand a little on Lobo/diablo; diablos are generally liked where you can link them, but dropped for diggers where you can't/don't need to link them. Lobo's are expensive for a 1w guy and are loaded with kit they have to pay for that you won't use most games. They're a generalist in a game that tends to lean more towards the specialist end of the spectrum.
    They're not BAD per se, just people find them inefficient
     
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  7. Greenhadouken

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    Ok. So my typical Harris consists of Senor Massacre and 2 JAGUARS. One with a light shot gun and one with the Adhisive launcher. I usually have him with his Breaker Combi Rifle. I was curious to see how the Lobo with 15 dmg light Flamethrower works out in a Harris. It seems like it could be good, but what sounds good on paper dosent always translates to good in practice. Would it be better to run Senor with a Diablo and a JAGUAR instead?
     
  8. Brokenwolf

    Brokenwolf Well-Known Member

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    I am sorry if I keep sounding like a broken record, but Infinity does not always have clear instances of better or worse. But looking at your example of Lobo/Diablo/Jaguar versus Senor/Diablo/Jaguar, here is how I would choose between them:
    • Will I be facing some apex gun pieces who have MSV and a lot of HI? I would go with Senor as his Eclipse and E/M grenades help against those types of units.
    • Will I be facing camo, Mimetism, and lightly armored infantry? I would go with the Lobo as the 15 damage light flamethrower helps against those targets. Note that the biometric visor is not a piece of equipment that is really useful.
    Based on your original post, against MO, i would suggest Senor but against Haqqislam, I would suggest the Lobo. Hope this helps.
     
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  9. Greenhadouken

    Greenhadouken Active Member

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    Sorry about the late reply. It does help actually. Having someone else confirm what I'm thinking is always helpful. Kind of let's me know I'm on the right track. This is only my second league, so I'm still a little shaky on what would be competitive and what sounds like it would he competitive. So, it wasn't you who sounded like a broken record it was me asking the same question in different ways. Thank you for taking the time to give me criticism and help me look at things a bit more objectively.
     
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    Greenhadouken Active Member

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    If anyone is still paying attention to this tread, the guy surprised me and played Starmada. It was a close game, but he took it in the 3rd round.
     
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