So I just got the new Ninja and I'm not sure which of the two right arms I should put on him. SMG or Tac Bow. Right now, No regular Ninjas in YJ, JSA, or Ikari have an SMG. Has anyone heard about possible changes?
Ninjas in c1 have SMGs, almost sure that at least some of them will carry over to n4. We already have tac bow model so unless you want 2 killer hacker ninjas in 1 list SMGs should be better choice for it.
Just a shame the C1 Ninja Hacker has a Combi, I'd have hoped that gun to be dropped completely from Ninjas
I actually forgot about the C1 Ninja lol. Well, i figure it's a better stand-in for a combi than the bow is so SMG it is.
But AHD ninja in n3 also uses combi. Nothing is set in stone. We don't even know how n4 hacking will work.
No no no, I mean, I'm sad that the combi seem set to remain. I don't think the Combi works well with the Ninja and would prefer significantly closer range weapons. Whether or how hacking will work isn't a factor.
I meant that there was a speculation, based on something I don't remember, that they may remove devices types and have certain program for certain troops. In this case combi on AHD and bow on khd, and combi on hd in C1 may end up with or without combi. Also smg isn't better than combi for ninja, it's still +3 for a unit with crap bs. Smg just cheats with points, something that ideally will be fixed in n4 anyway. I want my ninja to get lsg/bsg for maximum dominance :)
Dunno about "speculation[..] they they may" as if anyone had any real insights, that whole discussion was more about exploring possibilities and wishlisting. Now, allow me to express how little sense it makes to make a unit with a certain load out that has no similarities with what's in the main game. Plus, with how much Martial Arts costs, the decreased cost on SMG/TacBow compared to Combi is very very important on a profile whose biggest problem for viability has been its prohibitive cost.
Oh I know that some units have to abuse points formula with weapons such as chain rifles and SMGs. The point is that formula itself should be fixed, without frenzy in core discounts, and crap like this. Stats and weapons should cost what they are worth and not what CB wants them.
Yes, but that's, to me, besides the point. Even if they correct the points formula to make melee stats more accurately priced for their range band, I don't think assault rifles are a good fit for Ninjas.
Well for flavor bows and some kind of vorpal blade but with DA ammo would be cool. For pure practical reasons light shotgun. But ninja with a shotgun is so out of place...
Hmmmm I don’t think the shotgun is out of place on a ninja, as long as it’s conceilable and has a use a Ninja will use it. It was in fact the Ninja clans the first to embrace gunpowder particularly on the creation and use of explosives, for sabotage, sieges, and protection. Which is why, I wonder why doesn’t ninja have Mines, they used Caltrops after all, a ninja’s objective wasn’t always to assasinate, sometimes it was merely to slow down and bleed a contingent, town, etc... So sabotage and intelligence missions were what they did most. So then, I must wonder why an Assault Rifle? If anything it’s the assault Rifle carried by every All military personnel In the Human sphere that seems out of place.
The ninja always favoured what was practical, not flashy. It's in character for them to include more modern equipment, especially with TO camo solving the concealability issue. The rifle lets them take down more people, more quickly and at more ranges than their traditional equipment, so it gets brought along.
He's also been around from the beginning when there the combi was king. For shotgun, didn't Oniwaban have it?
Well, leaving aside how above all else the Sengoku period has been cannibalised and perverted by propaganda and pop-culture during the end of 19th and start of 20th century and how Ninjas probably never existed and how Samurai were most definitely not honorable swordsmen (for what it's worth, historical evidence points to overwhelmingly horse archers - the troop type with the highest survival chance on the battlefield). This is an anime game (though the facist samurai are gloriously good themeing) and as such these ninjas are based on the pop-culture Ninjas and I'm somewhat coming to terms with that. So, with all that said. Where's the smoke bombs and shurikens!? Can't have Ninjas without smoke bombs and throwing stars! Rabble rabble rabble.
IMO the ninjas generally ought to be kitted out as toolboxes for completing objectives, so Specialist Operative with d-charges, smoke or nimbus grenades, bonus if it’s got smoke and msv2 for dirty trick giggles. Also re: spying duties, how about a Counterintelligence profile without hidden deployment? It’d be nice to have ninja profiles that are more focused on infowar and objectives than on ambushes.
