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Your Kiel-Saan Thoughts

Discussion in 'Spiral Corps' started by DustGod, Apr 2, 2019.

  1. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    MOV 6-2 /CC 21 /BS 13/PH 14 /WIP 12 ARM 4 /BTS 6 /W 2 /S5 /AVA3
    Dual Wield /Assault /Natural Born Warrior/ MetaChemistry lvl 1

    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad)
    Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)
    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad)
    Mk12, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 53) 1 SWC]

    I'm struggling to find a place for this unit.
    I'd just like to get some input from more veteran players as to what they think
    what they would take, if they would take it and how they would run it?...
     
  2. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    I've run the triad with two Kiel-Saans and a Kaauri and quite liked it. Just apart from being a wall of meat that fights well at a lot of ranges very effectively, it provides a solution to something Spiral otherwise can struggle with - heavy TAGs (which we can't eraser and which are hard to outfight in ARO). Just apart from the Kiel-Saan's deadly melee ability, that little Kaauri is packing e/maulers of all things, which is TAG (and REM, and HI) kryptonite.
     
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  3. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    Sweet... 123 pts... Woooo. That's gotta be limited insertion
    Would you run Red Fury & Mk12 or what mix?

    What's your thought on Draal link or Solo Run?
     
  4. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    This was the list:

    Linebackers
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad) Mk12, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 53)
    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad) Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)
    KAAURI Sentinel (Special Fireteam: Triad, Pheroware T.: First Aid) Combi Rifle, E/Mauler / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    TAAGMA Lieutenant Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor, Fireteam: Special Triad) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor, Fireteam: Special Triad) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    TAAGMA (Multispectral Visor L2) Viral Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor, Fireteam: Special Triad) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CHAKSA AUXILIAR (Baggage, Sensor, Fireteam: Special Triad) Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 10)
    CLIPSOS (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    KRIIGEL Breaker Combi Rifle + Smoke Light Grenade Launcher / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    REEX Boarding Shotgun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    REEX Boarding Shotgun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
    HELOT MILITIAMAN Submachine Gun, Light Rocket Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 9)
    4 SWC | 300 Points
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    As for Draal, I like to start them linked (especially the Draal marksman rifle really likes being in a Tricore), but it's ok to leave the triad behind if you take a casualty and lost the bonuses, or have already dropped the Kriigel off in the most annoying possible place and want to push forward very aggressively.
     
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  5. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    Linebackers Runnin' that Kriigel in.
    I dig this man. Once I get mine in the mail I might try this with a proxy or 2.
    Thanks for the input and the list...
     
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    Please note that I know very little about sport so I'm glad the analogy actually worked to describe some part of the list :P

    In Australian football, I'd describe the Kiel-Saans as Props. But I also don't really know much about that either, and also it doesn't make for a very good list name.
     
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  7. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    Big Burly Guys getting a smaller guy where he needs to be is the perfect analogy... Fitting
    I'm not into sports either... So I feel you on that.

    Kinda look in forward to hunting TAGs with it.

    How do you think they'd hold up to JSA?
     
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    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    Hm, good question. I think spiral corps at large has very good game into JSA overall, who hate lots of things we have (chaksa sensors, taagma MSV2 snipers, sixth sense kriigel, all of our huge number of direct template weapons etc), but a Kiel-Saan in particular won't hold up in melee with a Domaru or Shinobu Kitsune. You'll want to fall back on the fact that they're pretty good shooters and avoid a close assault against any of the Japanese expert CC elements.

    So I guess If you do run them into JSA, make sure you keep them closely supported by things like the Kriigel and Chaksa until you're sure you've revealed all the ninjas.
     
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  9. melkiach

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    I tried it inside triad and outside, it is clear that if it is in triad it has better firepower, but I do not like to see so many points stuck in a triad, so I tried it separately and it also gave me a very good result, since with the loadout it has, it adapts well to any flank

    But not everything is good, I find that according to your roll in the metachemistry table, it can be better or "not that better", and I don't know how much you can depend on luck to allow you to make better moves, easy choice with the Krakot, in a Krakot you pay 14 points for that "luck" but in the Kiel-Saan you pay more
     
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  10. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Actually I played weak side linebacker and I can assure you: the army is adequately named. ;-)
     
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  11. Vandroiy

    Vandroiy Well-Known Member
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    In my opionion Kiel-Saan suffers some strong competition from Neema. She has same BS, same W, lower S son can be hide easier, higher wip (strong point for reset and for symbiobomb use), direct template weapon, not good as kiel in cc but not bad either, cost less and the most of all can join a regular triad and that means tri-core. Kiel wont see the table often on my lists. Neema is way way better.
     
  12. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    I agree with more or less eveything you wrote, but I think you omit something important: Neema is one of our best choice of Lt, consequently we need another beatstick in the army to do the risky fighting.
    The cherry atop the icing on the cake: you can take both of them.

    Double
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    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad) Mk12, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 53)
    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad) Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)
    KAAURI Sentinel (Special Fireteam: Triad, Pheroware T.: First Aid) Combi Rifle, E/Mauler / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    NEEMA Lieutenant (Advanced Command) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Viral Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 48)
    TAAGMA (Tri-Core) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21)
    KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioBombs / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)

    3.5 SWC | 207 Points

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    You still have 93 points and 2.5 SWC to spend on four (4) troopers.
    Exempli gratia:

    Quartet
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    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad) Mk12, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (0 | 53)
    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad) Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)
    KAAURI Sentinel (Special Fireteam: Triad, Pheroware T.: First Aid) Combi Rifle, E/Mauler / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    NEEMA Lieutenant (Advanced Command) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Viral Pistol, Shock CCW. (1.5 | 48)
    TAAGMA (Tri-Core) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21)
    KAELTAR Light Shotgun, Flash Pulse + 2 SymbioBombs / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
    KRIIGEL Breaker Combi Rifle + Smoke Light Grenade Launcher / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    REEX Boarding Shotgun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    REEX Boarding Shotgun, Contender, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 13)
    RASAIL Spitfire + 1 Chaksa Peripheral / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 39)
    [​IMG] CHAKSA PERIPHERAL Heavy Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (- | 4)

    6 SWC | 299 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    Cheers, mates!
     
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  13. DustGod

    DustGod Well-Known Member

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    I think Kiel-Saan's MetaChemisrty is a "Cherry on Top" only 4 I find least useful the rest just add to Beast Mode.... overall most of these definitely make him better in Melee. But then I stopped and I remembered this is a majority shooting game.. I'd have to play with them I still haven't yet
    (+1 ARM) :5 Thankyou
    V: No Wound Incapacitation: on top of Symbiont+Mate/Bomb wow

    V: Dogged: Meh
    Sixth Sense L2: Can't be Blindsided
    Bioimmunity: Meh
    Regeneration: Meh
    Enhanced Mobility (MOV 8-4): 12" Assault Move yes please
    Super-Jump: over the building oh thank you!

    Reinforced Biotech (+6 BTS): Meh...
    Climbing Plus: Gorilla Much?!!!
    Enhanced Physique (+3 PH): Killing Blow at 17+DA/Shock
    Immunity: Total: Nothing hurts me!!!!
     
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  14. Vandroiy

    Vandroiy Well-Known Member
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    That's 100% true unless you use a kaeltar coc. i am not a fun of LI lists unless i'am forced to do that.
     
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  15. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Dogged: your opponent already sweated blood to kill your murder machine. Now you can keep fuelling him irresponsibly with orders until he explodes - killing even more enemy troopers in the process.
    Bioimmunity: you are immune to Viral, and - drumroll - entitled to use your stupidly high BTS against - Wait for it! - Shock ammunition.
    Regenration: your opponent brought down the dreadnaught. After a short, healthy sleep, he keeps coming!
    Reinforced Biotech: OK, you are right, that really makes little sense...
     
  16. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Too bad I'm fond of SymbioBombs...
    Cheers, mates!
     
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  17. Aspect Graviton

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    I put spiral on the table last night and the Kiel Saan did some good work, The random bonus roll was Enhanced movement.

    I'd originally set him tup to join a triad of draal when I lost one but never need to, he just ran around on his own screaming. My opponent used a camo heavy list, first target was a Zencha BSG deployed to counter the aforementioned draal team on a warehouse balcony and to pinch their objective (we were playing supplies), stabbed him while laughing in armour 4, then in his next turn jumped down and engaged the enemy Daofei Spitfire LT who survived a more impressive two stabbings.

    Had the game gone on passed my opponents turn 2 he was in prime position to pull off both classifieds (extreme prejudice and net undermine) and performed even more top-quality stabbage.
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    Overall I'd rate this unit A+ for fun, stabbing potential and enthusiastic but generally ineffective use of a red fury.
     
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  18. Aemaru

    Aemaru Well-Known Member
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    At first i was like "i'll never field this unit..too costy and boring profil".... But ... MOV 6-2 in fireteam with Draal (6-2 and buton pushers)..

    very good mobility+ firepower+ utility of draal might make me run this kind of versatil triad for testing :
    With a back up of Kriigel Agent smoke and mirrorball in case

    Spiral Corps
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    KIEL-SAAN (Special Fireteam: Triad) Red Fury, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, DA CC Weapon, Shock CC Weapon. (1 | 53)
    DRAAL Submachine Gun, Pulzar, D-Charges, Dazer / Viral Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    DRAAL (Minelayer) AP Marksman Rifle, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Viral Pistol, Knife. (1 | 40)

    2 SWC | 123 Points

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  19. OrderMonkey

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    “Stabbity, Stabbity, Stab, Stab!“
    I'm crying!

    I guess I'll have to try this guy, too, since everybody is having a blast with him.

    Is he viable, though? Would you field him im, say, a Satellite Tournament?
     
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  20. Henshini

    Henshini Well-Known Member

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    I see several of you choosing the Red Fury over the Mk12, is it because of the burst? My gut reactions was to take the Mk12 for the extra damage.