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Wuming HMG OR HRL in a haris (ISS)?

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Kiyomasa, Mar 15, 2022.

  1. Kiyomasa

    Kiyomasa Active Member

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    I am trying out a Zhanying Lt in a wuming defensive haris. I have the tinbot -6 firewall, the question is which one is better the HMG or the HRL?
     
  2. csjarrat

    csjarrat Well-Known Member

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    Defensively the HRL for the templates. Aggressively, the hmg for the burst.
     
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  3. YueFei23

    YueFei23 Durian Inspector

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    ... alternatively Zhanying hacker for a tinbot hacking device w/ sixth sense and ability to slap d-charges onto an immobilized enemy that seems to be resisting arrest. Then put the hmg on the zhanying LT...
     
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  4. Kiyomasa

    Kiyomasa Active Member

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    @YueFei23 I can’t find a tinbot Zhanying profile. Or did you mean with the wuming tinbot?
    @csjarrat thats depends on what I plan I guess. You are right, do I want it to be defensive or offensive? I guess the idea is defensive so hrl it is
     
  5. YueFei23

    YueFei23 Durian Inspector

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    Wu Ming has to bring the tinbot. Tinbots are shared in links though, so this boosts your Zhanying hacker. With sixth sense it's as good as most hackers in 4+ member links!

    So the haris would look like:

    • Zhanying LT hmg
    • Wu Ming BSG + Tinbot
    • Zhanying Hacker

    It's a neat scoring and late game haris, with a good mix of range bands and tools. Not a good source of defensive shooting though.
     
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  6. SpectralOwl

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    I'd worry about potentially losing the LT to a bad roll if you're using it to clear ARO pieces. Definitely worth finding the points for a Pheasant, probably the Red Fury as a backup scoring/attack piece.

    Personally, I'd go for a Hsien if I'm teaming up a Zhanying with something else- the MSV can be invaluable if your opponent relies on Smoke, Camo or Mimetism to close the distance.
     
  7. YueFei23

    YueFei23 Durian Inspector

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    Of course I'd worry about that too. Still doesn't make it a bad haris, especially if you had Chain of Command elsewhere in the list or planned to use it as a scoring haris in the late game.

    If you wanted to use it more aggressively, dropping a Wu Ming HMG into it is also great, but a bit more spendy and you have to slot your LT option into the list elsewhere. I quite like list archetypes with 2x 3-man Wu Ming hmg fireteams, with a specialist and hmg in each.
     
  8. YueFei23

    YueFei23 Durian Inspector

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    Hard to make it really work without a mission in mind, but this archetype doesn't seem completely unplayable. (Saying anything like this is always a red flag in front of a bull in this forum, obviously).

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  9. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I'll bite.

    You start the game and go first.

    Your opponent: "How many orders do you have for that link team?"

    "Seven"

    "I spend a command token. Make it 5."

    And that's your first turn, even if you burn two command tokens you still have an utter joke of a first turn at 7 meaningful orders, and 3 useless orders in group 2.
     
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  10. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Also, obvious Zhanying Lt that is an easy assassination target.
     
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  11. YueFei23

    YueFei23 Durian Inspector

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    Yeah, which is obviously a case of confusing this concrete list with the archetype of a list containing two Wu Ming / Zhanying links.

    Exactly what you'd take would depend on the mission, whether you were denying ground or needing to punch up table etc. Chain of Command is a reasonably cheap thing to add with Adil, order groups can be tweaked, Kuang Shi can pad things out etc.

    Is it the best list archetype for ISS? Probably not... but having a couple of 3 man teams with an HI hmg and specialist in isn't unworkable. [Also the fireteam rules are changing tomorrow so... not worth wasting much time on this...]

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  12. YueFei23

    YueFei23 Durian Inspector

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    With the new fireteam rules, it's possible to squeeze in two Zhanying links with an hmg in each, and Chain of Command Adil in a kuang shi core link! Two lots of mad traps, two ARO pieces, two burst 5 hmgs with sixth sense, three links with a specialist in each and lots of Zhanying goodness.

    It's more likely you're going to mix something else in rather than duplicate the zhanying link, but it's neat that you can do it.

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  13. Space Ranger

    Space Ranger Well-Known Member

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    AVA4 Zhanying though.
     
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