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Wulver 5-man Thought Experiment

Discussion in 'Ariadna' started by Tongfa, Dec 17, 2019.

  1. Tongfa

    Tongfa proudly selling out since 1991

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    Rage of Caledonia (Wulver T2 Rifle DT, SAS Liaison)
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    S.A.S. Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (2 | 23)
    'FIRSTSTRIKE' DONN T2 Rifle, Grenade / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon, T2 CC Weapon. (0 | 35)
    WULVER Mk12, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 37)
    WULVER T2 Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 33)
    WULVER Heavy Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 32)
    WULVER Heavy Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 32)
    SCOT (2nd Battalion) CH: Camouflage Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 31)
    SCOT (2nd Battalion) CH: Camouflage Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 31)
    S.A.S. (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 24)
    S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)
    5 SWC | 300 Points
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    What's the general vibe on a 5 man core of Wulvers due to the new Cadin First strike?
     
  2. LankyOgreBP

    LankyOgreBP Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, it doesn’t work. Cardin doesn’t have Fireteam Core and the Special Fireteam note doesn’t mention anything about Core.

    The best you can do is a Harris.

    Secondly, I would never spend 2 swc on an LT. It might just be personal preference, but I would find a different option.
     
  3. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    Cadin counts as a Wulver so can join any Wulver Fireteam.

    He doesn't have Fireteam: Core because there's no such skill and it shouldn't be shown on profiles in the first place.

    Edit: Lei Gong and Krit Kokram also don't have Fireteam: Core on their profile.
     
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  4. LankyOgreBP

    LankyOgreBP Well-Known Member

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    I’ve seen a lot of confusion and discussion about it. I remember seeing all of the initially “no,” but if it’s changed I’m happy. Has there been a definitive clarification?
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2717654484923472&set=gm.2715515238471796&type=3&theater

    https://forum.corvusbelli.com/threads/cadin-fireteams.35984/

    The 5 man core makes more sense, but sometimes it may be easier to play the more restrictive way initially and look at it as a bonus if it gets changed.

    My comment about the 2 swc LT and depending on only a single mk12 still stands.
     
  5. colbrook

    colbrook Black Fryer

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    There's some confusion about whether both profiles are able to join Fireteams but "counts as a Wulver for the purposes of Fireteams" is pretty explicit that he can join any Fireteam a normal Wulver could join.
     
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  6. LankyOgreBP

    LankyOgreBP Well-Known Member

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    After following up, I agree with you. I still think it’s worth at least being aware that there are other opinions.
     
  7. Tongfa

    Tongfa proudly selling out since 1991

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    Depends on the faction and list. Generally would agree - but in the context of CHA which doesn't run too SWC heavy, you've got the SWC fat to spare.

    If Wulver guns cost SWC, then it's a different story I think.

    What I most like about the Wulver Core over other 'HI' link teams is that they don't have hacking vulnerability, have CC proficiency and they can exploit verticality to keep themselves safer in reactive.
     
  8. LankyOgreBP

    LankyOgreBP Well-Known Member

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    I haven’t played with CHA, just Vanilla, TAK, & USARF, so I’ll have to trust you on the SAS issue. Playing around in Army, I never realized how rough CHA LTs are. Other than the 8 pt volunteer, all your other options are more expensive than the SAS.
    The Wulver core does look like a heap of fun. Throwing solid 2w models that have that many threats is nice. I still personally would feel more comfortable with another solid gun. Maybe something like this. At this point I’m just spitballing though. It also depends on the mission, and how much you need the FO.
    Rage of Caledonia (Wulver T2 Rifle DT, SAS Liaison) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────[​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 S.A.S. Lieutenant Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (2 | 23) 'FIRSTSTRIKE' DONN T2 Rifle, Grenade / Heavy Pistol, AP CC Weapon, T2 CC Weapon. (0 | 35) WULVER Mk12, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 37) WULVER T2 Rifle, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 33) WULVER Heavy Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 32) WULVER Heavy Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 32) SCOT (2nd Battalion) CH: Camouflage Missile Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 31) HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34) S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22) CATERAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 21) 5.5 SWC | 300 PointsOpen in Infinity Army
     
  9. MattB89

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    While the 5-man Wulver Core is an interesting idea, the thing that holds me back from running them is the total lack of any sort of specialist that can join the link team.
     
  10. LankyOgreBP

    LankyOgreBP Well-Known Member

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    About half the current missions do not really require specialists and you can lean pretty heavily on Secure the HVT.
     
  11. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    We got Cadin, but i'm still putting Wallace inside the fireteam. I find his smoke unvaluable
     
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  12. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    I personally look at Cadin as a way to spare 1 SWC replacing the Haris Wulver with him (trading 2 points for 1 SWC).
    Notice that I run CHA pretty SWC heavy taking Caterans, Mormaers and APHMG Greys by the truckload.
    Moreover I rarely resist the temptation to take Lt Wallace rounding out the Wulver fireteam. His ability to lob smoke nades with B2 on 17s is just invaluable - especially taking into account the shortish range of Mk12...
    I hope this helps.
     
  13. fari

    fari CRISTASOL, EL LIQUIDO DE LOS DIOSES

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    Burst 2 smoke grenades at 17s? You mean 20s? (+3 range and +3 5 men core)
     
  14. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    I run him in a 3-man Haris. 17s are more than enough.
     
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