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White banner fireteams

Discussion in 'Yu Jing' started by Amusedbymuse, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. Amusedbymuse

    Amusedbymuse New Member

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    So white banner is out in Army Builder. I have one question about particular fireteam composition. Shang Ji has wildcard like in IA: 1 of them can join any fireteam in this sectorial. Jujak has special firetam rule: he can be a part of any fireteam of Shang Ji. And now big question: is fireteam with Shang Ji wildcard inside considered Shang Ji fireteam for Jujak requirement or does it have to be specific Shang Ji core/haris/duo?
     
  2. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    The Haris and Duo profile used to create the Fireteam is what determines the identity of the Fireteam.
    As for a Core, Wildcard allows you to join another Fireteam, it won't change that Fireteam to a Shang-Ji Fireteam.

    If a Shang-Ji is joined to a group of Zhanshi as a Wildcard, and you try to join a Jujak to it, then it won't work because Zhanshi can't be part of a Shang-Ji fireteam and Jujak can't be part of a Zhanshi fireteam.

    E.g.:
    Yes, this is a Shang-Ji Haris
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    SHÀNG JÍ (Fireteam: Haris, Tactical Awareness) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 43)
    JUJAK Missile Launcher, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 37)
    JUJAK Engineer Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 36)

    Yes, this is a Shang-Ji Core and the Tian Gou is Wildcard
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

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    JUJAK Missile Launcher, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 37)
    JUJAK Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 39)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 42)
    SHÀNG JÍ Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 43)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Jammer / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 24)

    No, this is a Ye Mao Haris as determined by the Ye Mao's Haris skill
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

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    JUJAK Missile Launcher, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 37)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 42)
    YĚ MĀO MULTI Rifle, Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)

    No, this is a Zhanshi Core that Jujak can't join or a Shang-Ji Core that Zhanshi can't join
    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────

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    JUJAK Missile Launcher, Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 37)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 42)
    ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    ZHANSHI (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    ZHANSHI Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
     
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  3. Willen

    Willen Well-Known Member

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    It has to be a specific ShanJi fireteam.

    Example, you cannot take a Zanshi Core, put a ShanJi in and then a Jujak. Because that IS a Zanshi core, the ShanJi is just filling a slot.
     
  4. Amusedbymuse

    Amusedbymuse New Member

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    Thank you both for replies. Sadly this is as I expected but wanted to make sure.
    Something like the final example of 'No' is what I had in mind for aro core :)
    If only they didnt limit Shang Ji wildcard to 1 like in IA, HMG and HRL TacAware + 3 zhanshi could be cool.
     
  5. Paegis

    Paegis Vincible Officer

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    Qiang Gao is a pure wildcard =)
     
  6. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    What are your favorite WB Fireteams? Guess the "Zhanshi" Core will be popular:


    Who was that HaiDao guy?
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    QIANG GĀO (Lieutenant L2) HMG, Nanopulser / 2 x Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1 | 43)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Fireteam: Haris, Tactical Awareness) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0.5 | 43)
    ZHANSHI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 11)
    LÉI GŌNG Shock Marksman Rifle, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)

    1.5 SWC | 154 Points

    Open in Infinity Army
     
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  7. Paegis

    Paegis Vincible Officer

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    I actually like the idea of a heavier core:
    The White Banner Army
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    QIANG GĀO (Lieutenant L2) HMG, Nanopulser / 2 x Breaker Pistol, Knife. (1 | 43)
    SHÀNG JÍ (Tactical Awareness) Heavy Rocket Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 42)
    LÉI GŌNG Shock Marksman Rifle, Nanopulser, Blitzen / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)
    JUJAK Engineer Boarding Shotgun, Panzerfaust, D-Charges / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 36)
    TIAN GǑU (1st Section) Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 23)

    3 SWC | 178 Points

    Open in Infinity Army

    But then I really like the idea of IA with all the fun camo and deployables of WB. There should probably be a Tinbot in there though.
     
  8. wes-o-matic

    wes-o-matic Well-Known Member

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    Out of curiosity, why Quiang Gao LT2 instead of the non-LT profile, given that the fireteam can't use the LT order and WB lacks any NCO right now? Is it to save 0.5 SWC? Or am I misunderstanding LT orders in fireteams?
     
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  9. Paegis

    Paegis Vincible Officer

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    I kind of like having the option of splitting him off the team if necessary with two extra orders - it can give you the extra reach you need to make sure an enemy stays down or he can use them to hunt down things like Jammers. We've also got some solid CoC options in Adil and Lei Gong. But yeah, it probably makes more sense to use the non-LT option.
     
  10. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    One thing that I've noticed with the fireteams in this and Winterfor is that they seem to have made it harder to fit singular premium pieces in with cheap link fodder. You have some wildcards like the Shang Ji and KoJ, but they're not nearly as optimized as combinations that other sectorials get. Instead, most fireteams seem built to be more expensive and with ideally less filler elements.

    I wonder if this is an intentional shift. It makes list building within the sectorial look like it'll be more difficult, but also potentially more rewarding.
     
  11. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    Mostly because there are no good LT options in WB, so you might just use Quiang Gao anyway.
     
  12. Weathercock

    Weathercock Well-Known Member

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    Daofei is one hell of a good Lt option, always has been. And it's gotten even better now that there are decent CoC options available. We've just been spoiled by the Daoying.

    It's going from having wholly without contest the absolute best Lt in the game to having only a really good Lt.
     
  13. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but he's also a big chunk of points that might not be available if you play a costly "Zhanshi" Core.
     
  14. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    I dunno if it's weird but the fireteam I'm most interested in is Jing Qo and the monk.
     
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  15. Khalipo

    Khalipo Well-Known Member

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    What I'll definetily try is zhanshi LT and a TianGou killer hacker with madtraps. Now you have 4 zhanshi and 2 madtraps guarding them.

    Another one :

    YeMao sitfire
    YeMao killer hacker
    Tian Gou Jammer as another YeMao killer hacker
     
  16. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Their mad trap profiles can't link.
     
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  17. Gero

    Gero Well-Known Member

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    Guys, I post here first, There’s an Issue in Infinity Army.

    The Spanish Version of Captain Qiang Gao says “this troop can be part of any fireteam of Shang Ji”

    While the English Versions says:
    “This troop can be part of any fireteam in this sectorial army”

    Which is the correct one?
     
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  18. Triumph

    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    Uhhh.... @ijw @Koni
     
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  19. Mahtamori

    Mahtamori Well-Known Member

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    Oh god. If it's Spanish that's correct, that'll wreck his usefulness a lot.
     
  20. zapp

    zapp Well-Known Member

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    yes, and the ShangJi is back in the game ;-)