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What do your vanilla lists look like now?

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Pander22, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. Pander22

    Pander22 Active Member

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    So with the release of the new profiles how is your vanilla force affected?

    Trying to find some inspiration for 2 lists to build towards and wanted to see what others were coming up with.

    Once i have a solid vanilla list ill post mine up but I'm just struggling at the minute
     
  2. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    This is my current list:

    [​IMG] Aleph Main
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] GARUDA Tacbot Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] DEVA Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser + Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
    [​IMG] SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] DASYU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] DALETH Rebot Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    5.5 SWC | 299 Points

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    But am currently going to be testing this to see if it is nicer:

    [​IMG] Aleph Main Test
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] GARUDA Tacbot Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    [​IMG] SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] DEVA Lieutenant (Sensor) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 24)
    [​IMG] DAKINI Tacbot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    6 SWC | 300 Points

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    My lists would just improve with OSS, but my other list needs to fight a console in CC and so I will stay vanilla just so I can get some steel characters in my other list.
     
    #2 kinginyellow, Sep 18, 2018
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  3. MerloyJenkils

    MerloyJenkils Well-Known Member

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    Can you use Dart in Vanilla?
     
  4. kinginyellow

    kinginyellow Well-Known Member

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    yup.
     
  5. DirgeOfAleph

    DirgeOfAleph New Member

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    Probably the biggest change for me is access to cheaper CoC. The 10 points saved between Myrmidon Officer and a Shukra Consultant is big! I like to run obvious, aggressive lieutenants (Asura, Eudoros, Achilles, Marut, even Hector sometimes) instead of the utility small lieutenants like Deva (Sensor). It's because I seem to gravitate towards limited insertion lists and want to try to get the most orders out of 10 units. This is why I love the L2 Asura profiles in OSS.

    [​IMG] ALEPH
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    [​IMG]10 [​IMG]2
    [​IMG] EUDOROS Lieutenant Mk12, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 40)
    [​IMG] AJAX 2 Combi Rifles, Nanopulser / AP Heavy Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 39)
    [​IMG] DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 33)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Spitfire, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 31)
    [​IMG] SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] ZAYIN Rebot HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    [​IMG] NAGA (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)

    4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Apsaras will be OSS only. I like Yadus and Arjunas. My least favorite thing to deal with is HI links, and they can both handle that fairly well. I do not think I'm a fan of Rudras. I'd rather just take two Dakini HMGs or two Zayin. Climbing Plus, Mine Dispenser, and a built in repeater is nice (fun times in OSS with Overclock, yeah?), but I'd rather take 2x (S2, 11 BS, Mimetism, 1 STR) OR 2x (TR, 11BS, 1STR) over the 1x (S4, 12 BS, 4 ARM, 2 STR). It may be that their choice in weapons has a lot to do with it.
     
    #5 DirgeOfAleph, Sep 21, 2018
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  6. regelridderen

    regelridderen Dismember

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    I haven’t really seen anything, that got my blood pumping. I still prefer my duo of Achilles and Patroclus to rule the world.

    Aleph - (300/300 | 6/6)

    Group #1 | 10 Models | 10 0 0

    Patroclus ODD Spitfire | ODD: Optical Disruptor, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades, Spitfire, Pistol / EXP CCW (57)
    Achilles Spitfire Lieutenant | Lieutenant, Nanopulser, Spitfire, Pistol / EXP CCW (75)
    Myrmidon Officer BSG Chain of Command | Chain of Command, Nanopulser, Boarding Shotgun, Eclipse Grenades, Pistol / AP CCW (35)
    Danavas Hacker Hacker Plus | Hacking Device Plus: UPGRADE: Maestro, Combi Rifle, Pitcher, Breaker Pistol / Knife (25)
    Lamedh Rebot Repeater | Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse (8)
    Lamedh Rebot Repeater | Flash Pulse / Electric Pulse (8)
    Probot Minesweeper | Minesweeper, Repeater, Electric Pulse (8)
    Probot Minesweeper | Minesweeper, Repeater, Electric Pulse (8)
    Dakini Tacbot Paramedic | MediKit, Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse (15)
    Dakini Tacbot Paramedic | MediKit, Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse (15)

    Group #2 | 4 Models | 4 0 0

    Proxy Mk.2 Hacker | Assault Hacking Device, Nanopulser, Boarding Shotgun, Pistol / Knife (21)
    Proxy Mk.1 Doctor | Doctor, MediKit, Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Pistol / Knife (10)
    Yudbot Servant | Electric Pulse (3)
    Netrod AI Beacon | (4)
    Netrod AI Beacon | (4)
    Netrod AI Beacon | (4)

    A simple concept; rule the field with speed, white noise, ODD and superior firepower.
     
  7. Teslarod

    Teslarod Trebuchet Enthusiast

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    So I got invited to a torunament as filler on Tuesday, wrote two lists, never got to test either of them. Wasn't even my Aleph army.
    2 days, 5 games 26 players (I think). Unfortunately competition was pretty stiff.
    Won all 5 games (3, 2, 2, 3, 3 - 13 Tournament Points), killed over 1300 army points (including Baggage) and somehow got first place.
    I ran 3 new Vedic troops in the list I ended up using for all 5 games, so I guess this might be interesting for some of you.

    This is the original B list. Put Dart in on a whim, picked the list against ISS with double Rui Shi and double TR Bot for game 1. Smoke and Atalanta seemed less useful than double Krakot Chainrifles and Dart. Ended up using the Dart list for all 5 games. Turns out Dart and Krakots can remove a lot of Obstacles (Repeaters, Flamers, Hackers, Camomarkers) for Achilles.

    [​IMG] Alpha Beta
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    [​IMG] SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.4 HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 25)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES (Forward Observer, 360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    [​IMG] APSARA (Killer Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
    [​IMG] KRAKOT RENEGADE 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 14)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    5 SWC | 300 Points
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    This is the 2nd list which I had intended to use for most games, but ended up never being played.

    [​IMG] Alpha
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] ACHILLES Lieutenant Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, EXP CCW. (2.5 | 75)
    [​IMG] SHUKRA (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    [​IMG] YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] NETROD . (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] PROBOT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] THORAKITES (Forward Observer, 360º Visor) Submachine gun, Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]1
    [​IMG] ATALANTA MULTI Sniper Rifle + TinBot E (Spotter) / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 39)
    [​IMG] DANAVAS Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Maestro) Combi Rifle + Pitcher / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    5 SWC | 300 Points
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    Imho Vanilla Aleph has improved a lot through Vedic. Shukra CoC is amazing. Cheaper than Myrm Officer and Counterintelligence is basically +2 Orders for the crucial turn 1.
    The Apsaras gives a nice and cheap Hacker that can still use a gun. She never got anything to Hack (Dart mostly did that with her SMG) but her gunnery skills on a Specialist were pretty useful.
    Dart is just great if you can fit her in. 2 real wounds, ARM3 vs Mines/Shock, BS13 with MSV1 over Dasyus and Naga combined with C+, Mines and her SMG make for a deadly combination. She is quite Order hungry and mostly good at taking out important but weak and isolated targets.
     
    #7 Teslarod, Sep 24, 2018
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  8. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Honestly there was not much change since the drop of the new troopers.
    In Achilles lists the Shukra Consultant pose some competition for CoC being 10 points cheaper than the Myrmidon officer but sadly lacks smoke that is key in keeping the fairly fragile trooper alive.
    Aspara KHD is outshone by Danavas/Thamyris (pitcher) and Scylla (Devabots).
    Yadus are relatively expensive Jacks-of-all-trades-but-master-of-none sadly lacking visual MODs.
    Rudras is not bad but sadly I dislike REMs in general in Aleph, and looks expensive for what I get. (At the same pricetag I get Machaon or Eudoros)...
    I find Dart an interesting profile, just not sure, ho to use her. MSV1 and camouflage is one pretty deadly combination (Bagh Mari) but the SMG and the Viral Tactical Bow has a range far too short...
    Arjuna looks the most interesting of them all. Shock Marksman Rifle is one fine gun, bringing a couple bots is cool, being a fairly sturdy specialist with 6-2 MOV is awesome! Nice toolbox, gona give him (her?) a go!
     
  9. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    To me : nearly no change. The only new mini that I want is the shukra to replace my myrmidon officier CoC. With him, Achilles lieutenant will have cheaper CoC and I will take a CoC with my marut (I didn't until now).

    The gain of point and SWC may give me some space to use other proxies (mk1/2 hacker/4 HRL instead of my classic mk1/2 hacker/5 FO) or take secondary attack piece (myrmidon spit, drakios...) a bit more often

    I'm a bit curious about the Ajurna efficiency but I would need to try him to know more