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What can we expect from Vedic

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Wyrmnax, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    So... just some thinking...

    What units can we expect from Vedic?

    Pretty much all our REMs, ok. Danavas was custom made for it too. What else?
     
  2. LazyBrush

    LazyBrush Well-Known Member

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    a deva+3 dakinis special fireteam
    more firepower in the asura, shock ammo in long range its outrageous right now.
    maybe something to cover close range without look greek (hardmode)
     
  3. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    Figure we will still have Enamotarchos fireteam instead of Core + Haris? Enamotarchos sounds soo... well... greek...
     
  4. Stiopa

    Stiopa Trust The Fuckhead

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    Some kind of Dakinis special fireteam, but it's a wild guess whether it'll be with Deva, Danava, or something else entirely.

    More power to our shirmishers (AVA 3/4 for Nagas and Dasyus).

    Hopefully higher AVA for Lamedh bots, for better Repeater nets

    Deva fireteams. I expect some more heavy weapon choices for them and maybe Asuras (please please please Feuerbach)

    Sophotects getting a proper name change (Rbhu)

    Deva-based Dire Foe
     
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  5. Unwol

    Unwol Active Member

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    Maybe the Maruts?
     
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  6. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    I'd start by saying "everything not on the Phalanx". Then, I'd go further with "mixed fireteams": I hope we will be able to link Devas + Dakinis, or Danavas + Dakinis, or IP links (Asura with some Posthumans, since there are no more IP's on the "vedic" side).
    Finally, more posthuman stuff... we need to see that Jumper N2!
     
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  7. perseus

    perseus Angry Clown

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    i expect a rem or two.
    normally they are on the edge on anything techy. posthumans level 2 makes me worried and be excited at the same time. ho can they make something not broken while adding more toys ?
     
  8. Pietras404

    Pietras404 Active Member

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    Maybe it is heresy, but I wouldn't like to have Posthumans in Vedic. I would like them to stay a vanilla specific. If they won't be I expect some new LI profile, new Blackfriarish MI profile, some cheaper HI and light TAG.

    We've got Dakini - REM which takes a role of LI, we've got Garuda which takes a role of MI (by function, not stata) sooo, we can have a REM which takes a role of HI? Please?
     
  9. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    I wonder what sort of fireteam would we have. Enomotarkos is great, but it is really a greek design. A champion who is leading a band of warriors to the fight, that's so Iliad ... and not exactly Vedic. So, core+haris ? An enomotarkos equivalent, but with lhost instead of character ? (think of Aleph guiding its own tools)

    I would like to see some improvement for the devas. They are not bad at all, just ... plain. They have good raw stats, but they don't have anything really special.For example, odalisks have the iconic i-kohl and some interesting profiles. The most unusual about devas may be their top wip, except they don't really have the tools to use it: no technical weapon, only a standard HD (who was made totally obsolete by the danava), no engineer or doctor profile ... Even the sensor, it's nearly a waste having such a high wip with a sensor :(
    I would like to see smg or multi rifle on some of them. For ex., we could have some technical specialists profiles with combi, and some fighter profiles with multi (and ofc the msv-2 spitfire).
    I would also like to see them in the core of our fireteams. Like "haris" Asura + devas. All deva team. Deva + dakinis (yes i know the danava was made for that). Or some "i'm a fireteam by myself" deva with multiple sync bot like Scylla.

    Aleph may need some bigger weapons as well, i mean, most of the heavy weaponry is in greek hands (feuerbach, MSL, Phoenix's HRL ...). With only vedic troops, there are not many ARO weapons: only HRL on Mk4, some expensives multi snipers on SK and dakini, the zayin, and that's all. Nearly no AP weapons as well, most of the weapons are combi and spitfire. But if some troops get multi rifle i think that would fill the gap while still keeping that "only few heavy weapon" feel.

    As it, Vedic wouldn't have any MI and only Asura as HI. I would like to see more REM or remote presence to fill the gap. I think it's fine having Asura as the only HI (well provided her issues are taken care of), but it would be fine having some MI like REM. Perhaps something like a smaller katakuri, slower than the dakini, but with heavier armor and weapon (heavy shotgun ? HRL ?)

    A thing i would like to see would be a light TAG. Something a bit on the expensive side, close top 90 pts (it's Aleph after all), with great mobility, average weapon (spitfire ? HRL ?) and light armor. Like a seraph or a tikbalank. A sort of skirmish TAG. No MSV, so that this TAG and Asura would still have their own niche.
     
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  10. Renfri

    Renfri Well-Known Member

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    I wish to be able to take 2 groups of 2-3 Posthuman Proxies

    That would be crazy expensive SWC wise however.
     
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  11. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    It depends on the options. You can field a mk1 medic and mk5 SMG observer, for 20 points and 0 SWC... The real drain is on the HI (sadly, since they are the only HI Vedic currently has, aside from the TAG-costed Asuras).
    I'm curious to know how they are going to implement the varied Posthuman AVA, if they do, however.
     
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  12. Renfri

    Renfri Well-Known Member

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    Well, considering how some profiles are very good (mk2 hacker for instance) I would keep AVA as it is. But have the option to have 2 sets of Proxies. This way you could take 2 different mk1 proxies, but not twice the same mk2.
     
  13. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    No no, I was talking about the AVA of "posthumans", not bodies. Let's imagine we have 8 different bodies to choose from (mk1 to mk8) for example, and AVA 2 on Posthumans, with 2-3 bodies per Posthuman. How do we assign the bodies? Can they share some? (for example, I lose "all" the bodies I got for a Posthuman, does he must go to a Netrod to give me an order, or can I send him to use a spare body, keeping the order even if I have no netrods left?)
     
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  14. Renfri

    Renfri Well-Known Member

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    Oh my bad, I must have read your post too quickly.

    You raise an interesting point. I do not think "sharing" bodies between Posthumans should be allowed since that would mean you would be able to fully ARO with multiple bodies.

    Then, the situation when all the bodies of a Posthuman are lost and transfering into a netrod or other bodies is tricky.

    EDIT : Also adding a AD:Combat jump proxy to my Dream/Wish list
     
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  15. Arkhos94

    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    We have proxies to do nearly anything (all specialist, TO/infiltration, MI, HI...) but AD, so I would like an AD proxy ; mk1 base profile with combi, boarding and specialist profiles (why not KHD as it is the only specialist no proxy has).

    Two set of proxies seems interesting but should be limited to avoid abuse, likely by keeping AVA 1 on each model (except maybe mk1) and no sharing of the bodies (or maybe with a command token to "repurpose" the body of one group for the other).

    A refurbishment of the Asura would be appreciated (like suggested in the old forum subject, at least better weapon on not-spitfire profile)

    Regarding the core fireteam : a Daikinee (with the deva and/or sophotec being optional as their leader / tech support) for the first choice. Maybe full deva fireteam as a second choice.

    Regarding harris, a deva harris for the "low point harris" seems intereting.

    Finally, we are missing a "middle ground" choice between the 20+ points deva and the 70+ points Asura. Somehing in the 40/50 points range. Maybe an "elite" robot like the Yu-Jing Su-Jian : an S5 robot with 2 STR, some armor and an original choice of weapon
     
  16. Renfri

    Renfri Well-Known Member

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    So not only do we share a nationality but we have the exact same vision for ALEPH ^^

    I did not know I wanted this so badly until you wrote it. This got me drooling on my keyboard just imagining it.

    As for the weapon, an assault shotgun or a heavy flamethrower for short range and a high burst medium ranged weapon.
     
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  17. regelridderen

    regelridderen Dismember

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    Posthuman lvl 2 will probably be an Lt. Option instead of adding new - and more broken - proxies to the mix.

    That would make sense to me at least.
     
  18. Wyrmnax

    Wyrmnax Well-Known Member

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    This. Please, this.

    I think lv2 could also be a completely different bodyset. Or something like that.

    In any case, posthumans will probably be taken a look at and receive a small but deserved point increase.
     
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  19. barakiel

    barakiel Echo Bravo Master Sergeant

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    I'm surprised noone mentioned smoke.
    It's the game's most powerful single piece of weaponry/equipment, and Vedic is going to miss it without those Greeks around to pull the pin for them.
     
  20. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    Onyx and PanO doesn't have smoke. Well they have the firepower to compensate for it.

    Since Vedic is bound to have no WB, like SP does not have any SK, it's unlikely it would get smoke. But given the hi-tech feel, and to compensate for having few heavy weaponry, it could have nimbus or eclipse. It would prevent the infamous MSV/smoke combo, but at the same time, it would be a powerful way to reach objectives. It would still be a problem for the Marut through, as the Marut without smoke would appear somewhat overpriced, same for Asura.
     
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