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Was OSS released early just so TAk can get a punching doll?

Discussion in 'Access Guide to the Human Sphere' started by theradrussian, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. theradrussian

    theradrussian Well-Known Member

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    Question is pretty self-explanatory:

    I'm wondering because of the whole NCO rule being a thing, but also not a thing. AKA: A beta rule.

    Also, why does KHD-equipped shakti get sucker punch, when it is redrum with 1 less burst? I get the idea of taxes, but then just give her some form of ccw instead?

    I was trying to help a friend compile some lists for an upcoming tournament and these topics really struck me as a surprise. Resonably speaking, can we assume this means that the third offensive book will have the "finalised" rules for OSS?
     
  2. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    I think they both got released early.

    Shakti's sucker punch would allow her to ARO hack whilst in a Fireteam with a Davanas, which isn't a legal Fireteam option.

    Kazaks have a special Frontie and Vet Fireteam, which is pointless due to the fact Vets are Wildcards and could join a normal Frontie Core.
     
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  3. natetehaggresar

    natetehaggresar Senior Backlogged Painter Manager

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    Shakti's sucker punch would allow her to ARO hack whilst in a Fireteam with a HD + Asura, which is a legal Fireteam option.

    Fixed that for you. For what its worth, I don't think they charged much if anything for that upgrade.
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Ah, good spot!
     
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    theradrussian Well-Known Member

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    @natetehaggresar can you elaborate please? Redrum also has the ARO tag, so is a legal aro hacking program to declare. What am I missing?
     
  6. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    I don't get this. What? Why can't Shakti just Redrum?
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Because Redrum is a different skill to Sucker Punch so she'd drop from the Fireteam.
     
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  8. theradrussian

    theradrussian Well-Known Member

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    Still seems about as cornercase as can be, but I guess it's a thing. I'll make a note of it in my calendar the day I see this actually occur, though :D
     
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  9. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    That's a pretty good insight.

    But fun fact: Asura has Redrum upgrade!
     
  10. natetehaggresar

    natetehaggresar Senior Backlogged Painter Manager

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    Really corner case?

    Anytime a hacking device enters a repeater of yours, both the asura and shakti would be vulnerable to attack. If they didn't have matching skills your option would be to reset, or break the link, or idle and take normal rolls.

    Since both of them have suck punch anytime a KHD or AHD or whatever enters your repeater network, you can just murder them. This is one of those cases where CB did a GOOD job thinking through implications of skills and giving out abilities appropriately.

    EDIT: Whelp @Zsolt has a good point.
     
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    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Except a pointed out above, the Asura has Redrum which is a better ARO for both.
     
  12. theradrussian

    theradrussian Well-Known Member

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    TBH Zsolt has a better argument. If this was the reason, why does the asura have the REDRUM program as an upgrade? So they can be....doubly redundant?
     
  13. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    I'm going back to my "Davanas were linkable in development until after the Shakti profile was finalised" theory.
     
  14. natetehaggresar

    natetehaggresar Senior Backlogged Painter Manager

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    Seems reasonable.
     
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  15. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    Why does KHD has anything other than Redrum?
     
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  16. Zsolt

    Zsolt Well-Known Member

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    *cries in De Fersen*
     
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    theradrussian Well-Known Member

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    For flavour, and to make the illusion of choice I guess? :D
     
  18. natetehaggresar

    natetehaggresar Senior Backlogged Painter Manager

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    Sometimes the shock on trinity is more likely to Kill outright, also occasionally you accetdentally trigger multiple i.e. 3 or more hacking AROs and want to attempt splitting burst.

    Skull crusher is really corner case,

    Yes Redrum is correct 95% of the time plus.
     
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    Now that we are at this:

    Are hacking programs separate skills? Or is Hacking attack a skill, and hacking programs the "weapons" for hacking? A quick search on the wiki made me really unsure...
     
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