Time for another weird wording issue. A Ninja (N) with TacBow sneaks up a corner onto an unsuspecting Fusilier Angus (A) and shoots him dead with TacBow. There were three other Fusiliers around A, each in his ZoC: Fusilier Koni (K), Fusilier Hellois (H) and Fusilier Bostria (B). We assume that neither of them was activated by Order or ARO. K doesn't have LoF to N and is inside her ZoC, and inside A's ZoC. H doesn't have LoF to N and is outside her ZoC, but inside A's ZoC. B is actually not on the table because he hates PanO (sorry @Bostria). Now, Warning! rule has the following requirements: To perform a Warning! the following conditions must be met: The trooper cannot be activated by Order or ARO in the same Order. An allied trooper inside his Zone of Control or the trooper himself must have been targeted by an Attack. Silent (a TacBow is Silent) has this small extra bullet: Additionally, enemies without LoF in whose Zone of Control the Attack took place or was declared cannot declare AROs or apply the Warning! rule unless the target survives the Attack. This means that these enemies must delay their ARO declaration until after the Attack is resolved. Checking the requirements for Warning, having Silent in mind: K: Allied trooper inside ZoC have been targeted by attack (TRUE); the attack took place inside model's ZoC (TRUE); target survived the attack (FALSE). H: Allied trooper inside ZoC have been targeted by attack (TRUE); the attack took place inside model's ZoC (FALSE); target survived the attack (FALSE). Now, assuming I understand the rules as written correctly, it seems that K cannot benefit from Warning! (due to attack taking place inside his ZoC) while H can (as attack took place outside his ZoC, but he still had the attack's target inside ZoC). Am I right?
IMO an "Attack" requires both an attacker and target(s), so at least part of the "Attack" is still in H's ZoC. If it said "Attacker" or "Model declaring an Attack" then H could Warning, but as it's written I think you have a generous interpretation of the rules here.
I think you are actually right, and I should have more rest before reading the highly convoluted Infinity rules :P
I think it's more likely that the wording on Silent wasn't adequately play tested due to the non-existence of ranged silent weapons when N3 came out. Because what you'd expect Silent to do is: No use of Warning! (in ZoC of the target is sort of redundant) if the target is killed No declaration of ZoC AROs against the attacker if the target is killed. I mean, if you're using doing a Knife attack surrounded by strategically placed enemy models, you're not expecting the bad guy positioned precisely so that he's in ZoC of the victim and not in ZoC of the attacker to respond while everyone else nearby can't. :-|
Hmm. So I was reading through the Beyond Red Veil missions, and there's a point where it's introducing the Silent trait on knives and the tactical bow: Silent and CC Attack. The CC Attack against the target will be resolved normally, with them getting a standard CC Attack or Dodge, but anyone within ZoC and without LoF won’t get an ARO (or be able to use the Warning! rule) unless the target survives. This is an exception to the standard Order Expenditure Sequence as you effectively have an ARO step happening after the close combat.and Silent and BS Attack. This works slightly differently than with the Knife. As long as the Ninja is out of sight of the target (usually by being in their back arc) neither the target nor anyone else without LoF to the Ninja will get an ARO unless the target survives. This is an exception to the standard Order Expenditure Sequence as you effectively have an ARO step happening after the Ninja’s Resolution step. Highlighting added. Ice Storm and Cold Front have knives but don't feature a tactical bow, so their Beyond rules don't contain the "Silent and BS Attack" writeup. As far as I can tell, those paragraphs are there as explanations of the full rules, not simplified versions of the rules for the Beyond mission. I assume Silent and BS Attack should include the same parenthetical "(or be able to use the Warning rule)" that Silent and CC Attack does.
