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Updated Total Immunity

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Cannon Fodder, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Cannon Fodder

    Cannon Fodder Well-Known Member

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    For the second bullet in total immunity. Can you apply it to attacks that are without special ammo. The wording make me think that you can convert all attacks on ARM to BTS. Is that the intent?
    • EFFECTS
      • When suffering a successful Attack or being affected by any weapon or rule that forces any ARM or BTS Rolls, the owner is immune to the special effects of the Special Ammunitions, treating them as Normal Ammunition.
      • In addition, players can choose between making an ARM Roll or BTS Roll, choosing the most advantageous for them.
      • If affected by a weapon or Ammunition with the Non-Lethal Trait (see Infinity N3) that forces an ARM or BTS Roll, owners of Total Immunity won't suffer its effects, so they won't make the ARM or BTS Roll, nor any corresponding Guts Roll.
      • This Special Skill is not applied if the owner suffers a Hacking or Comms Attack.
    If that the case then the Karikuri just got a +3 ARM boost. (3 ARM vs 6 BTS)
     
  2. MikeTheScrivener

    MikeTheScrivener O-12 Peace Kepper

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  3. Pierzasty

    Pierzasty Null-Space Entity

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    So monofilament no longer works on Total Immunity :(
     
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  4. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yeah, I think adding "vulnerability: monofilament" to a lot of these would have been reasonable.
     
  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Also, it looks like people with Total Immunity are immune to all non-lethal weapons - why the hell do Loup-Garous have adhesive launchers and Stun Grenades then? Fluff fail.

    EDIT: Looking at them, Adhesive Launchers seem to get by Total Immunity because they don't cause ARM or BTS rolls. But Stun is still worthless. Proposal: give all Dog-Warriors Vulnerability: Stun and everyone else (except possibly Symbiomates) Vulnerability: Monofilament.
     
  6. A Mão Esquerda

    A Mão Esquerda Deputy Hexahedron Officer

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    Read the rule. ADHL works because it *doesn’t* cause ARM/BTS.
     
  7. ijw

    ijw Ian Wood aka the Wargaming Trader. Rules & Wiki
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  8. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Adhesive is explicitly called out as ignoring total immunity under the special cases section.
     
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  9. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    And on top, Doge have Vuln: Viral exactly because of fluff.
     
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  10. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Yeah, but I don't think they're going to give Loup-Garous viral grenades XD
     
  11. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    That'd be cool, but nah :D
     
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  12. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    As we are talking about TI: when a player has to declare if he doesn't want to use the skill? While he is activating or just before making the saves?
     
  13. The Red Duke

    The Red Duke Well-Known Member

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    So if someone with Immunity: Total gets tagged by an E/Mauler, and they choose to use Immunity: Total, they take a wound if they fail the ARM or BTS roll, right? Since even though an E/Mauler normally doesn't cause any wounds, Immunity: Total turns it into normal ammunition.
     
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  14. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    There is no such skill as Immunity: Total any more.

    But this is correct for Total Immunity
     
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  15. The Red Duke

    The Red Duke Well-Known Member

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    Thanks! So then, if a weapon or ammunition has the "Non-Lethal" trait, it's completely ignored? As in, it doesn't even turn it into Normal Ammunition, it just straight up negates the need to take an ARM or BTS roll.

    And if that's the case, is there somewhere to find a list of ammunition or weapons with the "Non-Lethal" trait? I couldn't find one one the wiki.
     
  16. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    Yes.

    Not so far, Wiki is not fully checked and updated. What used to be non-lethal is still, Flash was made Non-lethal today for that very purpose.
     
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  17. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    The exception is Adhesive weapons, they ignore Total Immunity as a special case.
     
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  18. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    Not an exception, Adhesive just don't call for an ARM/BTS roll, so are out of Total Immunity's scope.
     
  19. Ayadan

    Ayadan Knight of the TAG Order

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    So? When do you have to declare you want to switch off Total Immunity (for example if a Dogface doesn't want to lose its last wound against an E/Marat)?
     
  20. Nuada Airgetlam

    Nuada Airgetlam Nazis sod off ///

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    When you're supposed to pick and make the ARM/BTS roll.
     
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