Tunguska rework proposal

I get the feeling that you don't agree with some of the faction restrictions that are part of the character of Nomads (specifically referring to the Salzy NCO, CK TAand Interventor (Lt+1) suggestions).

Otherwise there's a lot there that's cool, and a lot there that's very wish-listy.

I'll go through line by line later.

 

What exactly are you paying 1.5 swc for?

 

I'm guessing Impersonation, Minelayer with CrazyKoalas and Deployable Repeaters.

 

But they both have IMP, the second one just gets Minelayer

 

Ahh missed that. Probably a typo then.

 

Gotta agree with inane.imp, Nomads could stay strong without those Lt. +1, NCOs or etc. I think it would be better if we could focus more on Hacker, Infiltrators, board controlling.

 

Oh. I did not realise that IMP (mistook it for Holo2) lets you deploy in enemy DZ at first. Please, no. YJ plebs will whine about enemy 360-visor(marker)+large template+repeater+koala+2 discovers so much that forums would go down.
Besides I don't see Nomads as impersonators so much from fluff pov.

 

Honestly, for Lunks I'd just make the same as other Nomad combat REMs: Wildcard. That and pricing their ARM/BTS reasonably would be enough (ie ~ 4-5pts cheaper).

At 20pts and able to be added to a Duo/Haris I'd certainly start using them.

RF Heckler I like the concept of keeping the area control, but I'd honestly add Cybermines and Minelayer. This adds the illusion of depth to the TJC midfield and makes low SWC options elsewhere in the list attractive, potentially as a TJC exclusive.

RF Puppet. SWC isn't really the problem it's that B4 AP+Shock is a lot better than B5 Shock in N4. That being said dropping to 1SWC probably works for this.

Master Hacker. Its actually an interesting piece. Honestly my solution here is to make the Puppetmasters AVA2. Neuro, +1BS is absurdly good: just Neuro would be really good.

Daktaris / Clockmakers. The fact they can't join LI Fireteams is a point of difference for TJC. No change.

Raoul. MMR FTO profile is cool. One of TJC's issues is a lack of good 24" range pointmen.

Interventors. LT EVO profile is very interesting. EVO already has Zero Pain, so you don't need to add it as an upgrade. TJC exclusive is cool.


Securitate. Either you need to make blanket chance here or just accept that Grenzer MSR invalidates most other AROs. Blanket change to 1SWC for most MSRs without MM or MSV wouldn't be to amiss though.

Cheerkiller. Adding Percy to CK link alone is a good buff. I'd swap the So for a Paramedic. It'd fill the hole you wanted to fill with Daks, but less effectively.

Jelena getting a Repeater is cool. But honestly that probably won't change things. ]

Grenzers. They're modelled with 2 Pistols. Give them a Stun Pistol. Stun is an interesting effect, this would be very characterful, and is close to free. Agree with remove the non-MM MSR. Agree with adding AP to the Red Fury: but if do that as an AP RF, because that would be cool (still at +0.5SWC). The FO NCO needs to be an Lt option. ML is fine, it's just overshadowed by the MM MSR.

I think the more interesting change is to remove MM from the MSR and instead give it BS Attack (Stun). This will leave it less likely to win FTFs but will make it disrupt attacks well. It'll make the ML and MSR more comparable. The other option is the Bolt solution and give them both MM. That or just accept the ML jusf isn't great, and that's OK.

HM. SJ Percy able to join, no other changes.

Kriza. Completely onboard with these changes.

Salzy. No changes. It's fine. 5% of lists is about right for a TAG in Nomads, 25% is over represented. If anything that suggests a nerf in Vanilla is in order: perhaps make the KHD Pilot a TJC exclusive and only a spec ops Pilot in vanilla?

Spektr. Minelayer Dep Rep is YJ's space. I'd give a TJC exclusive Minelayer Cybermines. Mostly because it's hilarious. Do this on the BSG profile. The rest of the changes are noise.

Percy. Remove the FTO, make Wildcard. Done.

Stempler. Remove the FTO, make both profiles Wildcards. Done.

Meteor. Honestly it's basically OK, it's just a sometimes food. But that's a good change. I'd keep the SWC though and make it PH=10, Combat Jump (+3). Makes it that much more reliable to jump than walk on.

Vostoks. The actual issue is that Albedo doesn't make sense, not that the Mimmetism one is the odd one out. Make them all Mimmetism (-6), delete the Albedo profiles - do this across Nomads. That's what White Noise is for.

Tsyklon and Lunokhod. Drop price by 5 pts make them both Wildcards for all Nomada. The other thing I'd do for Lunks is make Deactivators work like Jammers (range ZOC, no LOF). Their main issue is their absurd cost. With the ability to infill a link they'll be taken: they're too expensive as a standalone corner guard even at 20pts, but as a link filler they're extremely sexy.

 

Yeah that would be more or less toxic unit for people to play against. Go first win first.

Start the game with a Dep Rep covering an opponent's important units/link. Spend 1 order and toss a Koala down next to the Dep Rep from prone on a roof somewhere without even needing to move closer. Next hack your opponent with spotlight and watch them try and figure out whether they dodge the koala or get hit by spotlight for free and then a missile.

You wouldn't ever even need to try and roll to get in the enemy DZ for that unit to facilitate the complete dismantling of anything that isn't under a camo marker.

 

Yup. It also adds capabilities to Nomads that don't exist.

Thoroughly dislike it.

 

ahahaha no

But in serious, FD+4 or +8 might make Lunokhod playable now

lmao at seeing a proper shotgun impersonator and going for uhhhhh repeater into smart missile instead just lol

CB should give out deployable repeaters to kiutans so more people would kill themselves with big brain solutions

 

Yup HSG/HFT Impersonation with a Koala down is just pants for how good it is for killing things.

 

O-12 would be cool.

The thing with Nomad REMs is that they're combat REMs. They should be our main utility guns, with MI as the glass cannons.

It's why Wildcard REMs work well in Nomads, thematically.

 

I apologize for being slightly off-topic, but can someone direct me to where the ITS 12 tournament results might be found? My Google-Fu is too weak, apparently.

Also, there is a reason Impersonation is a rule restricted to very, VERY few factions. It is an extremely powerful tool, even on a relatively weak profile (Greif Operator), and any ideas about adding it to additional factions should come only after a lot of thought. 30 points for a Heavy Flamethrower that can start in your deployment zone with MINELAYER is already strong; giving it the option to use minelayer with a deployable repeater is absurd; Impersonation allows its user to deploy in the opponent's half of the table, but outside of their Deployment Zone, without requiring a roll. This means a Nomad player could start Turn 1 with a repeater reaching 8" into the opponent's DZ.

Impersonation is the act of disguising your trooper as an enemy trooper/civilian; this is why you cannot declare Speculative or Intuitive attacks against such markers. If you want to simulate the REM disguising itself as a Car or piece of Scenery, that is exactly what Camouflage is for.

 

I don't have a bone in this, but decoupling the HMG Kriza from Fireteams should probably also come with a cost decrease. Even with a disincentive penalty it ought to be closer to Mowang than Gamma in price.

 

Personally I wish they would take the Kriza out of fireteams, but switch it's Mimetism (-3) for BS Attack (-3).

Fits the old N3 Kriza better and gets rid of the crazy B6 stuff.