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Trying to make Morats work for me in Season 9

Discussion in 'Combined Army' started by paraelix, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. paraelix

    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    Hey all,

    Long hiatus from playing (12-18 months). I have a few tourneys on the horizon and I'm trying to settle on a fairly core list to get painted up. As ever, biggest hangup is Morat tax on everything means I can't find room for everything I want. Can I get some blunt assessments of the below as a generic "I'm rolling up a random button pushing ITS mission today" list?


    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] MORAT HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 22)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 18)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] YAOGAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 29)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]3
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Operative Group) Mk12, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 24)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)

    4.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  2. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    It seems you need to take a good look on the army roster and, more importantly, on the missions you'll be playing, mate.

    Your list has two options for a core fireteam, the Oznat+Hungries and the Vanguard, but I don't know what you intend to do with them. Oznat Smoke support then move up the Kurgats? If that's the case, wouldn't it be a good idea to drop one of the Ikadrons for a full hungry link, giving you more orders to fire smoke down the lane?

    I would try and upgrade the Yaogat to a Suryat HMG lieutenant too, but that would require you to drop the M-drone, I think. It's still doable.

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]10
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] MORAT Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 18)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] MORAT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    [​IMG] MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    [​IMG] Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Fireteam: Haris) Operative Group) Mk12, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 24)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] SURYAT Lieutenant HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 18)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] GAKI AP CCW. (0 | 4)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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    Here's a slight variant on your list that I think has more order efficiency while still packing the same tricks as your first list. Perhaps only missing the MSV from the Yaogat
     
  3. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    I will just mention that our meta has a fair bit of camo (we're in the same area)

    I'd probably be more inclined to take an E-Drone over a Vanguard Hacker, but it depends what you have in mind for it beyond remote-tax and supportware.
     
  4. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    I don't play Morats anymore, but if I did, i think i'd do something like this... so long as we're talking generic all-comers ITS missions.

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8
    [​IMG] RODOK Missile Launcher, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    [​IMG] RODOK Combi Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 26)
    [​IMG] RODOK Paramedic (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] RODOK Paramedic (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 21)
    [​IMG] RODOK Hacker (EI Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Lieutenant HMG + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 45)
    [​IMG] SURYAT Vulkan Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 37)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Spitfire, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (1.5 | 34)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
    [​IMG] KURGAT (Operative Group) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 17)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
    [​IMG] IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)

    5.5 SWC | 300 Points

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  5. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Not enough firepower in that Rodok fireteam imho. You get good mileage out of having both an hmg and a missile launcher. The assault hacker is also probably not necessary, two paramedics for specialists is fine. You might even be able to get away with one depending on the mission.

    I'd also maintain that there is no such thing as an 'all-comers' list in Infinity - you should always adapt to the mission.
     
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  6. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    For button pushing you really want zerats, as well.
     
  7. sorniak

    sorniak Well-Known Member

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    Funny thing, but I think that author of post proposed best army for competitive tourney :)
    Flankers - checked
    MSV2 for evetually smoke+shoot thing and camo hunting- checked
    Hacking+ best drones - checked
    sensor - for camo hunt again - checked
    all possible specialists - checked
    good ARO? - might be a problem...Q-drone is great, but long range sniper msv2 or odd\to\ch:camo might handle q-drone pretty quickly
    heavy weaponary - hmg and panzerfaust - checked

    I personally might want to have yoagt msv2 sniper and vanguard missile instead of vanguard LGL, vanguard hmg and yoagat combi...but that just personal sympathy
     
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  8. DaRedOne

    DaRedOne Morat Warrior Philosopher
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    this. I can't stress this enough. Play the mission, always play the mission. Some lists will be better at some missions, some at others. MAF has the largest option of fireteams in the game, use it!

    I don't agree with this solely because, again, the mission is key. Also the meta they play if we're talking local stuff. If you know you're not facing a lot of camo, you can leave the sensor bot at home. And if you know you're facing a lot of infiltrators, generally the zerat stays home.

    I think I'm the only player that has trouble with zerats. Mine nearly always dies without capping the objectives like she should. I have used her sucessfully a few times, but more often than not I feel like walking a team of rodoks up to the midfield yields better results.
     
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  9. Aspect Graviton

    Aspect Graviton Friendly Alien Overlord
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    Same boat, MAF are the only time I'd even consider them, I think they are the number one option button pusher and are necessary as an option in MAF, but as the lone skirmisher ahead of the rest of the line with only mimetism for comfort I find them lack luster at best.

    My button pushers are usually a rodok, a vanguard or a raktorak
     
  10. paraelix

    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    The upcoming BrisCon tourney that I need to prepare for is 5 missions over 2 days, 2x 300pt lists;
    Power Pack
    Capture and Protect
    Highly Classified
    Acquisition
    Hunting Party

    Happy to hear any mission specific feedback from people - cos I have little experience with the current missions. Also, Hunting Party is a clusterf***. I know that much from reading the mission.
     
  11. Leviathan

    Leviathan Hungry Caliban

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    With Hunting Party take just enough specialists to cover classifieds and leave the rest at home. Stack Veterans/HQs/Elites for AHDLs, and take E/M if you can get it - Zerat E/Mitters for eg. Morats have a lot of options for dudes packing ADHLs. Rasyat is probably one of the best if you can get him on behind people and out of 8".

    Same list can do Capture and Protect if you want.
    Oh and practice it... I've played Hunting Party 3 times in the last month and still getting to grips with the nuances.

    Edit: Hammered one out. Would cover some of the issues I've had with that mission, definitely.

    [​IMG] Morat Aggression Force
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]4 [​IMG]5
    [​IMG] OZNAT Vulkan Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 20)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (0 | 7)
    [​IMG] MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
    [​IMG] SLAVE DRONE Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] RASYAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 28)
    [​IMG] ZERAT Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
    [​IMG] ZERAT Combi Rifle + E/Mitter, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4
    [​IMG] SURYAT Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, CCW. (0 | 41)
    [​IMG] SURYAT (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower + TinBot A (Deflector L1) / Pistol, CCW. (1 | 38)
    [​IMG] RAKTORAK Red Fury / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 26)
    [​IMG] Bit Hacker (UPGRADE: Expel) Submachine Gun + Pitcher, Deployable Repeater + KISS! / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 19)
    [​IMG] [​IMG] KISS! Adhesive Launcher / Electric Pulse. (- | 4)

    2.5 SWC | 298 Points

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    #11 Leviathan, Mar 15, 2018
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  12. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    @paraelix Something else to keep in mind is that Isolating your Morat specialists doesn't count as hunting them down for the Hunting Party mission. So that's nice.

    For Highly Classified, the Zerat Assault Hacker can do 6/10 Classified Objectives, she's a very useful model.

    For these kinda of "button-pusher" missions, you're going to need specialists to run around and do things, and Zerats have the advantage of starting pretty far up the table, among other things.
     
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  13. paraelix

    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    Trying to find a link to the Veteran/Morat Hunting Party ruling - do you have a link handy?
     
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    paraelix Well-Known Member

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    Ta - kept scrolling past it to the Proxy HP questions.
     
  16. Hecaton

    Hecaton EI Anger Translator

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    Keep in mind that @locksmith didn't provide confirmation for that one when asked, so who knows as to its veracity... that's what we've got to work on, however.
     
  17. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Brisk antipodean

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    It shouldn't be too hard to find the points, so I'd advise swapping that existing Haris out for Kornak+Suryat+Raktorak. Gives you an whole extra order to play with, in addition to Kornak being a better gunfighter. It's one fewer ADHL, but you're hardly hurting for those as is.
     
  18. locksmith

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    Thanks for tagging me when you call me a liar, stay classy, @Hecaton
     
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  19. xagroth

    xagroth Mournful Echo

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    Frankly, I doubt he would win anything by claiming Hellois said that works that way, and could loose his Warcor position if CB decided that he was placing words in their mouth.

    I think this post is uncalled for, and a low blow, dude. Like throwing sh*t against a powered fan to see if it goes through or goes back -.-
     
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  20. psychoticstorm

    psychoticstorm Aleph's rogue child
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    Don't you think he would have been called out by US if he just made things up? I am sorry you are stepping way beyond the line.
     
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