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Thoughts on play OSS almost ally camo lists?

Discussion in 'ALEPH' started by Fearbox, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. Fearbox

    Fearbox Active Member

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    I am looking at playing something like the for a up coming tournament and was wondering if others have tried anything similar? I am looking to play this in Quadrent Control, Rescue, and Hunting Party for context.

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    DASYU Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 35)
    DASYU Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    PROXY Mk.1 Engineer Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    PROXY Mk.4 HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 25)
    NAGA Combi Rifle, Monofilament Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)
    BOUNTY HUNTER Submachine Gun, Akrylat-Kanone / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    DASYU Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 35)

    5 SWC | 300 Points

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  2. Kir

    Kir Well-Known Member

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    While camospam is a viable option I wouldnt do so with a dasyu lt- you have to deploy it as a marker on the table instead of keeping it in hidden deployment to avoid starting out in LoL. Which rather gives away which model your opponent needs to focus on unless you also downgrade other models to a marker.
     
  3. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
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    I played quite a bit with similar list:
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    DASYU Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 35)
    DASYU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)
    DASYU Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 34)
    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    NAGA Combi Rifle, Monofilament Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    SFORZA (Holoprojector L2) Viral Rifle + Adhesive Launcher, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 30)
    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    4 SWC | 298 Points

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    Came in second to a 5-mission tournament using this list in 3 out of 5 missions. Would have won if I didn't do a couple of bad decisions in last game.

    Realistically, Sforza should probably go - I only took it to make as much of the list as possible in token states.

    Also, don't listen to Dasyu Lt naysayers. Going after that one TO Camo token is easier said then done given everything you can put down to protect him, and how free you are in picking the best spot in your half of the table.

    Also, if you are truly worried about that, you can just deploy him as a regular Camo marker - bonus points if it's within 20cm of another one, so they'd think you have 2 Naga Minelayers. ^^
     
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  4. Cartographer

    Cartographer Well-Known Member

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    You're putting down 5 camo markers as a minimum anyway, a sixth in amongst them for the Dasyu using camo rather than HD is just sick.
    Personally, I'd use the Mk.1 Doctor rather than the Engineer, and I'd take the Mk.3 Spitfire so I could take the Mk.2 Sniper. That way you still retain the B4 HI, but add a brutal long distance surprise shot and subsequent ARO piece. With all the mines you'll be dropping combined with the BSGs and nanopulsers, an AHD just doesn't look to add much more.
     
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  5. Káosz Brigodéros

    Káosz Brigodéros Vanguard, Inc.

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    Notice that in Hunting Party you can remove the glue from your specialists.
    Re-garding Mk 2 Hacker: this is a TO camo specialist you do not want to expose in Hunting Party. (Has access to Spotlight accomplishing the FO classified.)
     
  6. CoveredInFish

    CoveredInFish Diplomatic Delegate
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    Here is my take on the theme. I played it only one time in a tournament and lost the game, but I guess it takes some practice and my opponent was quite strong.

    Placing 7 camo markers and having 3 hidden units is quite fun.

    Playing second is not optimal though.

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    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)

    DASYU Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 40)

    DASYU MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 42)

    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)

    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)

    NAGA (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 27)

    PROXY Mk.2 Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 21)

    PROXY Mk.4 HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 25)

    PROXY Mk.5 (Forward Observer) 2 Submachine Guns, Nanopulser, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)

    SHUKRA Lieutenant (Strategos L1) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)

    BOUNTY HUNTER Submachine Gun, Akrylat-Kanone / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)

    LAMEDH Rebot Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)




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  7. Fearbox

    Fearbox Active Member

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    @Cartographer I am think about just dropping the yudbot and changing the MK2 AHD into the MSR. As to the doctor I have so much NWI and dogged and a maximum of 30 orders that I am not sure it will be worth trying to doctor. I am more inclined to pick off the weaker parts of my opponents list and play defensively with this style of list and the missions that it is being built for.
     
  8. Fearbox

    Fearbox Active Member

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    The only part that I don’t like is the Shukra as it is just asking to be killed, the Dasyu gives a lot more protection .
     
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  9. CoveredInFish

    CoveredInFish Diplomatic Delegate
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    Yes. I tried a Dasyu Lt before. The 2Swc tax is hitting the list hard. Obvious Lt is in my meta less of a problem than a Hmg or MSR less.
     
  10. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
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    If you're going for heavy-Camo in Aleph, you shouldn't be spending the SWC anyway. I think your list pays for things that are quite weak and without good reason (Dasyu Sniper, Dasyu AHD).
     
  11. Nenyx

    Nenyx Well-Known Member

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    I wouldnt call Dasyu sniper weak. Expensive, sure, overshadowed by Mk.2 sniper, but not weak. An infiltrated CH:TO sniper with NWI is a big PITA for the opponent, especially if he wasn't expecting it because he already saw a Mk.2 hacker.
     
  12. meikyoushisui

    meikyoushisui Competitor for Most Ignored User

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    You could just downgrade him to regular camo and deploy as a marker. Keeps you out of LoL, still hides him.
     
  13. MerloyJenkils

    MerloyJenkils Well-Known Member

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    Did you start any game in second? How did you tackle it?
     
  14. Nemo No Name

    Nemo No Name Aleph Cultural Atache
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    Yeah, started some games, including last one against vanilla Achilles Order spam. I lost that one, but mostly due to my own stupidity, I made a couple of very bad moves. Almost won despite of it. It was Quadrant Control, lost almost everything but it was a *very* close game.

    You should expect to lose some models, but truth is that enemy doesn't know where to strike and what they'll find so its very hard to advance for them.
    Also, don't be scared to use the LT order for laying mines or shooting someone in the back. Just don't be as stupid as me and try to shoot Achilles at -12 and then not have orders to hide them afterwards.
     
  15. Kir

    Kir Well-Known Member

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    You can, but you do lose 3 points of vis mod until youre out of markerstate. However, good point, I hadnt thought of camouflaging it as a naga/dart/mine
     
  16. regelridderen

    regelridderen Dismember

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    How about something like this :

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    DART Submachine Gun, Viral Tactical Bow, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Shock CC Weapon, Knife. (0 | 34)
    DASYU Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 35)
    DASYU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)
    DASYU (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 36)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    NAGA Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    PROXY Mk.2 MULTI Sniper Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 24)
    PROXY Mk.4 HMG, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 25)
    PROXY Mk.1 Doctor (MediKit) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    NETROD . (0 | 4)
    NETROD . (0 | 4) 5.5 SWC | 298 PointsOpen in Infinity Army