Hi guys, I wanna recreate my old topic here in the new forum, Here's the link to the old one : http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/49498-the-charm-of-assassins/ I started this amazing army last summer, for now I played a dozen of matches with fantastic results and very soon I'll bring my bastards to an ITS tournament, their first. Here, as well as in the old topic, every Hassassin players can write his own experience with this sectorial army, it's not properly a topic dedicated to tactics, it's just about situations, solutions, lists and personal deeds. Today I tested my tournament list, built for Firefight, against Tohaa : Hassassin Bahram ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 GHULAM Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17) GHULAM Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 16) GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35) FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) ASAWIRA Doctor Plus (MediKit) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 39) ASAWIRA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Shock CCW. (2 | 43) RAFIQ REMOTE Rifle + Light Shotgun, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) GROUP 2 2 6 3 FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 31) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) 5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army
I'd say Al works his magic first turn, then the Fiday is for the turn after Al dies? Moving him to the main group? That's a hardcore list! It's fun to see how much scariness can be put into a list without the need for specialists.
Well, there are 4 Specialists in Group #1, two of them in the Ghulam Core (Ghulma Doc & Laila, so not really going to do much running after objectives), plus Asawira doc in a Duo, and Rafiq REM. Not a lot, but IMO it could do the trick - at least in a 20x20 game.
Yes, the second Fiday exists to replace Al D in the first group . On February 4th I'll have a tournament, the mission are : - Firefight ( already played with the list above) - Safe Area ( here I need maybe more specialists) - Transmission Matrix I really hope to play at least once the other two mission before the event, but will not be easy. Any suggestions?
You know what would be nice? More options for Lasiqs. The two we have are great, but I'd love a Specialist of some sort, maybe another weapon option. Just feels like at the moment their Fireteam: Core skill is pretty empty, because they don't have the options for a core team.
Govads are search and eliminate troops I think, Lasiqs are long range assassination and battlefield overwatch. So maybe some sort of Shock Marksman Rifle loadout would be cool, or a Breaker Rifle with MML1 for that two saves impact like Zhayedan have, and for a Specialist perhaps just Specialist Operative rather than any kind of other skill that doesn't seem to hugely fit. In the background it kind of suggests that they solely use super-lethal ammunition so that 1 hit is 1 kill, so whatever they're armed with needs to hit super hard and put targets right down. I wouldn't really be so bothered about them being as stripped down as they are, mind, if they didn't have that Fireteam: Core Skill. A Viral Rifle/Haris and Viral Rifle/Specialist Operative profile on top of what they have now would be super cool though, then they'd be a great Haris option for supreme lethality!
Creating redundant options like a copy-paste of a Zhayedan would: a) add to the rules bloat which we don't want b) make the Zhayedan even mroe useless, which we don't want. I'd rather they went with something new and exciting for the Lasiqs, they never make it into my lists nowadays. A Haris would be good.
Agree, two profiles are not much, I played the viral sniper one only a couple of times, not bad, snipers with mimetism are always good. For now, in this sectorial, I've problems only with the Ayyar, don't know why, I like it and miniatures are amazing, but there's no feeling between us xD.
I'm not a big fan of HB nowadays, core options feel somehow limited - i'm ending with defensive Ghulam 3man core and offensive Haris of Govads or Muy&Asa combo. That being said, they are brutally efficient. Recently, i've played Decapitation against Ariadna with a funny list that i had no expectations for, yet it was enough to make my opponent forfeit in 2nd turn - feel free to try that bag of fun on your own. Gr1 5x Daylamis with Panzerfausts and inferior inf. 4x Mutts Lasiq sniper for aro's Gr2 3x Farzan minelayers Ghulam hacker Shibab Fanous Muyib core of three - Lt with PNZRF, two viral minelayers Ghulam doc with nasmats After deployment, it's 26 miniatures and markers with lots 9f aro coverage (doesnt matter if Daylamis fail their roll, one in my DZ took out Anaconda in aro with one rocket). Farzans can lockdown middle of the field, core protect itself and supported Shibab can go after enemy snipers. Wouldnt take it for buttonpushing scenarios obviously, but it worked out great with Decapitations.
I mean, camo spam is typically attributed to Ariadna, but I find it pretty hard to avoid temptation of just littering the board with markers.
I often times running 3 Farzans. 2x Minelayers, 1x FO, and then 2 sometimes 3 fidays in group 1 with a 5 man hybrid Ghulam core (Misile Launcher, Doc, HMG, Leila). It is very alpha strikey, so if it goes second it usually hides most things.
How about they get a Haris loadout and Specialist Operative loadout, and Yasbir counts as a Muyib or a Lasiq for fireteam composition. It befits him as an experienced instructor to all Hassassins and trusted agent to go with the Lasiqs as well as Muyibs, it's a nice reflection of Leila being a Ghulam or a Muyib, and it would give the Lasiq team some flavour and variation without diluting their iconic viral weapons for everyone gear.
Well I don't like to suggest re-writing stuff that already exists, because that's almost guaranteed to never happen But making Yasbir able to join Lasiq fireteams, in the least, is possible in theory in the future, like how we got Regular Sforza and Bounter Hunters in the campaign last year, and a Lasiq Specialist Operative and Haris profiles is less likely but, again, still seems at least possible. Maybe Bostria or some other good soul will read this post and it will go up the line! Probably not but you never know...
Today I've had my 2nd tournament with hassassin, I played this list for all three matches : T1 ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 GHULAM Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12) GHULAM Doctor Plus (MediKit) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16) GHULAM Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17) GHULAM Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 17) LEILA SHARIF Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Shock Marksman Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, Knife. (0 | 20) AL-DJABEL Rifle + Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Viral CCW, Knife. (0 | 35) FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 31) KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) KAMEEL (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) RAGIK Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 32) GROUP 2 3 7 3 FIDAY Rifle + Light Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 31) FARZAN (Minelayer) Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) DAYLAMI (CH: Limited Camouflage, Inferior Infiltration) Light Shotgun, Panzerfaust / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 8) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) MUTTAWI'AH Chain Rifle, E/Marat, Jammer, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) FANOUS REMOTE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) 6 SWC | 300 Points Open in Infinity Army The missions were : Decapitation, Capture&Protect and Frontline, I got an amazing 1st place, very soon I'll post the BRs.
Remove Core, add a VSR Haris or Duo profile (or just give the unit Duo), add a Forward Observer profile on the VR. Lasiqs would be fixed.
I would love to read those battle reports! Did you enjoy the list? Is there anything you would change if playing those 3 missions again?
So, the BRs : First match was Decapitation against Ariadna, many camo, BlackJack HMG, minuteman with the same weapon, Uxia (deployed as datatracker) Dog warrior, veteran Kazak and a pair of grunt and volunteer, the list was, more or less : Ariadna ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 BLACKJACK AP HMG, Chest Mines, D.E.P. / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (2 | 36) UXÍA McNEILL (Covert Action) (CH: Limited Camouflage, Superior Infiltration, Specialist Operative) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / 2 Assault Pistols, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 27) CHASSEUR (Minelayer) Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20) CHASSEUR (Minelayer) Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20) FOXTROT (Forward Observer) Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18) FOXTROT (Forward Observer) Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18) VETERAN KAZAK Lieutenant AP HMG / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (1 | 47) VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 6) VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 6) MINUTEMAN AP HMG / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 34) GROUP 2 3 1 1 GRUNT Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) GRUNT Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10) DOG-WARRIOR 2 Chain Rifles, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / AP CCW. (0 | 27) FOXTROT Boarding Shotgun, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19) 5.5 SWC | 298 Points Open in Infinity Army My opponent decide to go first, I take the side and deploy for second. In his first turn, the Dog warrior runs toward a mine that explodes and a big wolf is placed on the battlefield, Uxia tries to kill the HVT but I save its armor and one of my Ghazi is able to isolate her, Blackjack and the minuteman try to kill my linked ML Ghulam but my model win both duels and USAriadna models die. After, a pair of foxtrot engage several duels with my daylami"s", discover, surprise shoot etc., in the end I lost two of them, but two Foxtrot are unconscious thanks to my nice dice roll. With his last orders, my opponent puts the Dog Warrior near the Lt. Kazak. In my first turn, I use my ghazis to reveal 4 camo, jammer is amazing, two of them are mines but the other two are chasseurs that become isolated. My first Fiday engage a rifle grunt that falls unconscious, after, the same model kills a volunteer, the veteran Kazak and the dog warrior, before falling unconscious. I decide to use my DataRagik to kill the HVT and after a chasseur and a volunteer suffer the same fate. My first turn is over. In his second turn, my opponent kills the HVT with the DataUxia but lost in ARO another chasseur and with no other things to do he ends his round. In my second and last turn my entire army kills the remaining three models, a foxtrot, a grunt and Uxia. At the end of the game I killed the HVT with the data, my opponent did the same but I killed more army points and his Lt., 10-5 for me. Second match was Capture and Protect against Military Order, the list was : Military Orders ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 JOAN OF ARC Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, DA CCW. (+1 | 50) ORDER SERGEANT MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 21) ORDER SERGEANT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15) ORDER SERGEANT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) ORDER SERGEANT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) FATHER-KNIGHT Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Breaker Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 50) MACHINIST (Father-Engineer) Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) TRAUMA-DOC (Father-Doctor) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14) PALBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3) PEACEMAKER Spitfire + AUXBOT_3 / Electric Pulse. (1 | 27) AUXBOT_3 Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (- | 4) GROUP 2 3 2 SIERRA DRONBOT HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25) PATHFINDER DRONBOT Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16) TECH-BEE (Remote Assistant Level 1, Specialist Operative) Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) FUGAZI DRONBOT Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8) WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3) 5.5 SWC | 296 Points Open in Infinity Army This time I win the dice roll and decide to go first. In my first game round the massacre of the crusader kingdoms begins, at firs my Ghazis move and one of them dies killed by the enemy Sierra, but my first Fiday, thanks to smoke grenades+cc combo, kills two order sergent and the multi sniper one dies under my missile launcher. Al-Djabel is behind enemy lines and my first target is the peacemaker that fall unconscious ( I avoided the auxbot), then, the machinist suffers the same fate. After I use my daylamis to kill the trauma doc, the tech bee and one 8 points REM, but two of my models die. All of my Fiday return in impersonation and my turn ends, I used three command token but my opponent lost half army. My opponets banner is in front of my two ML, so, at first his HRL order sergent kills my last daylami, after dies against my ML, Joan Kills one of my Fiday, after some orders, the pathfinder takes the banner but my MLs kill it, but the REM moves the target away from one of my swc weapon. In my second turn, I decide to use the Ragik that arrives and take the enemy banner, thanks to ghazi smoke grenades, and takes it in my zone, Al-Dja engage and win a duel against the last order sergent, I move my link after taking my banner and one of my ML kills the Sierra. With only three models, my opponent starts his second round trying to kill something but my Fiday are in impersonation and he has no targets. In my last turn, the Ragik delivers the banner to my datatracker and Al-Dja kills the FK. I don't wanna risk my models, so I decide to leave Joan and the warcor alive, I complete my classified obj. and the match ends. 10-0. The third match was Frontline against Steel Phalanx, the list used was : Steel Phalanx ────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 2 AJAX 2 Combi Rifles, Nanopulser / AP Heavy Pistol, EXP CCW. (0 | 39) PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Heavy Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 40) MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16) MYRMIDON Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 26) MACHAON Lieutenant Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 38) EUDOROS Mk12, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 40) MYRMIDON OFFICER (Chain of Command) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (1 | 35) MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16) MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 16) AGÊMA Marksman MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30) 5 SWC | 296 Points Open in Infinity Army My opponents win the roll and decide to go first, that's really nice for me. Ajax uses its impetuos order to move toward a camo marker, one of my linked ML shoots but the HI dodges, the Agema, thanks to a lucky shot, kills one of my ML, but after another attack, my other one kills the enemy marksman ( in the first attack I could react with both ML, stupid me). A chain rifle myrmidon moves and discover one of my Fiday that dies, despite a deployed mine, the enemy survives. The other link moves and Phoenix, Machaon and a combi myrmidon kill two daylami. In my first turn, my Ghazis move and isolate the myrm CoC but two of them dies thanks to lucky shot from myrmidons pistols! I move and deploy some mines with Farzan and the other Fiday and my turn ends. Ajax moves and kills a Ghazi, but my ML kills it, after, Eudoros is out from the link 'cause the CoC was the team leader, moves and after many orders engages a duel with my Fiday but the last one kills it. The other link move again and my last daylami dies, my last ML falls unconscious and the round ends. I heal my ML and complete my classified obj., my last Ghazi tries to kill a myrmidon but dies, Al-Dja suffers the same fate ( in this match I was very unlucky). I've the last turn, so I decide to not risk other models. My opponent moves three chain rifle myrmidon to control his front and the link composed by Phoenix, Machaon and the combi Myrm to control the central. In my last turn, now it's time to use my ace in the hole. The Ragik arrives, with my last Fiday and my Farzan I take the control of my opponent's front ( the CoC is outside), I move my link and my baggage REM to take my front and the central one, my data is in the last, the Ragik moves and gives me even more points, I spend my entire turn to move without exposing my models. In the end, I've my front, the opponent's one and my classified, my friend has the central one but not with his data and completes his classified, 6-4. I end the tournament with 3 victories (8 points), 26 obj. points and 794 victory points ( thanks baggage xD). 1st place :).
