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Tariq N4

Discussion in 'Haqqislam' started by Fenrir, Dec 28, 2020.

  1. Fenrir

    Fenrir Well-Known Member

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    Is anyone using tariq ?

    I'm saying this because I don't see any good point on him right now in N4. I don't see what it brings to the table. I think that I won't play him in N4 feels bad spending that amount of points on him.

    You would say that is good CC and BS13, but we have other troops like nahab/mukthar/new tag/jenizaro to do that job better.
     
  2. Freebootas

    Freebootas Well-Known Member

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    He definitely isn't an auto include in Ramah anymore. Mainly take him for the two Lt. orders, which will either be spent on him or an NCO Ghulam/Khawarij. Besides that he is still a super fast flanker who can murder links. Honestly might try experimenting with the dmg:15 AP Rifle loadout as the extra SWC is huge and with N4 we need as much AP as possible. Also his immunity to critical hits might seem like a minor thing, but is actually huge(same goes for the Nahab). Makes him way more survivable and can sometimes throw opponents off. The Nahabs and the Shakush can definitely fill a similar role, but Tarik is faster, more survivable, and provides a lot of orders which are needed in N4. Personally I would never build a list with him in a core link.
     
  3. RobertShepherd

    RobertShepherd Antipodean midwit

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    I'm not, alas. I don't play Ramah, just Vanilla, but I think he lost a lot with the removal of Fatality 2 - much more than e.g. Sheshkiin who stands just fine off the back of her amazing stats, Tariq unfortunately now isn't good enough at anything to justify his expensive cost.
     
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    Triumph Well-Known Member

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    The shitshow that is super jump right now killing his mobility really didn't help either.
     
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  5. Fenrir

    Fenrir Well-Known Member

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    I think it is a support piece in ramah, the AP rifle, but only in limited insertion, in a core of jenizaros or similar
     
  6. Errhile

    Errhile A traveller on the Silk Road

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    Now I can't say I had a lot of chances to test Tarik (or in fact anything N4 - thanks to the pandemic), but I see nothing wrong with him in Ramah.
    He works well enough with a NCO on the table.

    Autoinclude? Surely not.
    But in my opinion, the less "autoincludes" are there in a game - any game - the better.
    Nothing should be an autoinclude, everything should be a viable choice.
     
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  7. Koval

    Koval Well-Known Member

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    I played Ramah as my main faction from their release through the end of N3, and Tarik was far from an auto-include. I really only took him in single combat group lists. For N4, he lost his extra crits as expected, but didnt get much of a points drop to compensate.

    Looking at him in N4 without comparison to N3, it's not terrible. Super jump on 4-4 troopers is practically worthless, but 6 inches is enough to actually jump over things and onto rooftops. He won't be spending those two lieutenant orders on himself, and your NCO options are the Khawarij Mk12 and the Ghulam NCO. Its tempting to make a haris of Tarik, the Khawarij, and Rouhani, but you're paying a lot of points for a second gunfighter in your Tarik team. The Ghulam NCO, on the other hand, is probably competing with Carmen for the model that shows up in the most Ramah lists.

    Being "only" BS13 with no mimetism or MSV, you can't just push him forward and expect him to win every face to face roll. If you want to do that, take the Mukhtar red fury. Instead, you have to use his mobility to run/jump around the table bullying things you know you can beat. This is where putting him in a team will get you into trouble, as any team you put him in be slower than he is.

    As a solo piece, he still looks pretty good. Hes still a big, mobile threat. Without a team, he loses a lot of defense. I see two solutions to this. One is to use your last order or two to pull him back to safety. With super jump, this will often mean going prone on a rooftop. The other is to not bother and take chain of command. For Ramah, your only options are to pay 32 or 33 points on an otherwise plain Hortlak or Khawarij. This would probably be a model in your haris, but could also be the Khawarij in your Ghulam core or, in a single combat group list, a Hortlak in your Janissary core. Vanilla brings us the Farzan for considerably cheaper, while also being a camo infiltrating specialist.
     
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