Suppression and Isolation

Discussion in '[Archived]: N3 Rules' started by Nomadimp, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. Nomadimp

    Nomadimp Well-Known Member

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    So I know that if a model's "state changes to isolated" while in suppression that will cancel the suppressive fire state.

    What's a little less clear to me is whether or not an isolated model can then spend an order to re-enter suppression? My assumption is that they can, because suppression is only broken when the model's state changes. But I'm not sure if that's intended or not.

    To add a further wrinkle, if a model with Veteran lvl 1 is in suppression and gets hit by EM or oblivion etc., do they become isolated and does that break suppression? The question here is that a unit with Veteran "ignores all the effects of the isolated state"--but does that mean they are still isolated, but are just ignoring the effects? That seems odd, and I'd expect the rule to just be 'cannot become isolated' unless there's some reason for them to become isolated but ignore the effects. The only case I can think of is that when they're in suppression, they still changes to an isolated state, and as a result that would break suppression. But again, that seems like a very odd and unintended outcome to me.
     
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    Arkhos94 Well-Known Member

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    Isolated is one of the cancellation cause of suppressive fire :
    Veteran lvl1 troop are immune to isolated so no effect for them, they stay in suppressive fire
     
  3. Urobros

    Urobros Well-Known Member

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    Still the troup if impacted, has a guts roll to do, fail this roll provokes the loos of the supression fire.
     
  4. Nomadimp

    Nomadimp Well-Known Member

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    That definitely makes the most sense to me, but the veteran rule doesn't say they're immune to becoming isolated, just that they "ignore the effects of being in the isolated state" (which isn't exactly the same as cannot become isolated). My confusion is whether or not that distinction is intended or not (my best guess is that it isn't).
     
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  5. Hecaton

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    It's unlear to me why Isolation breaks SF mode. I guess they intended Jammers to be an easy "this guy causing you trouble in a straight up firefight? Just Jam him!" buttton.
     
  6. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    There is no reason an Isolated trooper cannot be in Suppression.

    Isolated does not prevent declaring Suppression and isn't itself a cancellation clause of Suppression: the change is the what drops Suppression.

    And yes I'm 90% certain it's so you can use EM, Oblivion or Jammers for indirect attacks to drop a model off Suppression prior to shooting it in the face. Although, incidentally, Carbonite is a better program for this with Hackers.

    I do find it interesting that Blinded drops the Suppression Fire trait but Stunned does not. This seems to me to be an oversight?
     
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    spears Well-Known Member

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    Does blind actually exist anymore? The wiki section quoted even redirects to stunned from blinded. That said I think its largely irrelevant unless you have courage and get stunned in your active turn whilst declaring suppression fire.
     
  8. inane.imp

    inane.imp Well-Known Member

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    Blind doesn't exist anymore. It's been (mostly?) incorporated into Stunned.

    That's precisely the type of situation where you'd want Stunned to drop the affected trooper from Suppression and where Blinded used to.

    It's an edge case, but one that can be easily tidied up.
     
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