During the Tactical Phase of the Active Turn, in the Executive Use of Command Tokens step, the user of this Special Skill may move a Trooper to a different Combat Group without expending a Command Token. For clarification, can we only move 1 trooper without spending a command token, or can we move as many troopers as we want without spending command tokens? I can read this as both ways. I feel like if the limit was 1, it would say "a maximum of 1 trooper" or something like that, but who knows.
It's a single action that usually requires the spending of a Command Token. The wording reflects the fact that each such single action is "free" with Strategos L2. Same as with spending CTs, you can do multiple of such single actions, with no limit (you might spend 4 CTs to move 4 models to a different group if you wanted to).
I had assumed you can only move one, but I can see the other reading now that you point it out. Not sure which is correct. Being able to move as many as you like might be a little much. I'm picturing this: ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 7 4 SUN TZE (Lieutenant [+1 Command Token]) MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser(+1B), Flash Pulse / Breaker Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 62) CELESTIAL GUARD Monitor Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5) SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 54) GROUP 2 8 4 CELESTIAL GUARD Monitor Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 5) SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 54) HSIEN Heavy Machine Gun, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (1.5 | 55) CHAĪYÌ Yaókòng Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7) 5.5 SWC | 298 Points Open in Infinity Army Every turn you get to decide which Siu Jian you'll pump 10 orders into, and still have the rest of your orders available for the other Siu Jian or the Hsien. Or split your orders between the heavy hitters however you like. Or pick a different three heavy hitters depending on the mission. Point being, you can always put 10 orders into whatever unit you want, every turn. Not saying it would be broken, just saying it might not be intended that Strategos can move as many units as you like! Edit: You get to pump 11 orders into the Siu Jian of your choice. I forgot about the lt->regular order from Strategos.
Pretty sure that if it intended to say “you can freely rearrange all troops between combat groups” it would have said so.
@colbrook just as executive use of command tokens allows you to spend a command token to move a trooper between order groups, but we know you can move more troopers by spending more command tokens. the wording is "for each command token expended" Executive use of command tokens says: For each Command Token expended, the player may do one of the following: ◼ Permanently move an allied Trooper to a different Combat Group, but respecting the 10 members limit. ◼ Cancel the Possessed State of an allied Trooper. Players may expend as many Command Tokens during a single Tactical Phase as they desire, assuming they have enough. Players may also use more than one Command Token for the same effect so, this is very clearly written, but there is no such limit for strategos level 2 (as written). why couldn't they say "as many times as you want" or "not exceeding a single trooper" or something like that for strategos 2. I am willing to say you can only move one trooper for free, as that seems reasonable. but moving a single trooper multiple times is not mentioned. just like I can eat a cookie. 10 times.
@toadchild Making assumptions based on logical balance and game design is never wise because we know CB sometimes doesn't understand or pay attention to those things as well as they could. Also, I want Saladin to be able to do this lol
That is a reach, like you're reading it in a way to deliberately interpret it wrong. It says you may move "a trooper", no previous qualifier like "for each token expended". Seriously, if someone said to you "At lunch time you may eat a cookie" and you ate five of them, you'd be wrong, and I can't see any other good faith way of reading the bolded text in the OP.
I have to disagree, I think the wording is genuinely ambiguous. "Cars are required to stop at red lights. However, if you are driving an emergency vehicle with your siren on, you may drive through a red light." This doesn't mean that your siren entitles you to run exactly one red light. That said, the more I think about it the more I doubt that CB intended the unlimited option. I would play it as only allowing moving one trooper, despite the wording being ambiguous.
That's a wrong analogy. A correct one would be: "Cars are required to stop at red lights. However, each time you spend a Magic Coin of Traffic, you can drive through a red light with no consequences or risk of an accident". And you have five magic coins, can you run 5 lights in a row? Sure you can. As long as you have coins.
sorry, but I disagree. I will also add that I am not deliberately doing anything, I genuinely find the wording ambiguous. Beyond that, the rules have been translated into english from spanish, and further more CB are prone to this kind of error or misrepresented rule in the past, so we should discuss and clarify the issue, not dismiss it.
going back to the weird cookie analogy for fun. There is plate of cookies. You may take a cookie by spending 1$. Only limited by the number of Dollars you have. If you have Cookie Monster Level 2, you may take a cookie without paying 1$. do you not see the ambiguity? It is established that we can take more than 1 cookie. But the special skill does not clarify if it is a blanket pass, or that you may only do it once per "lunch break". to take the point further, Strategos does not inform us if we may only use this special ability once per game, or once per game round. so, if you want to be hardline and argue you may only move 1 trooper without a command token, we could also be having the same debate as to whether we may only do that once per game or 3 times per game. I also want to reiterate, I believe it is probably intended to be played as moving only a single trooper as otherwise it just seems a bit wild. I am not trying to convince you all to play it my way, I am looking for consensus and clarification.
I can't agree, by the wording you've given, if Cookie Monster Level 2 lets me take a cookie without paying $1, then if I take two cookies I am breaking that rule, because "a cookie" specifies that the amount I can take is singular. Strategos specifies when you can move a trooper for free, so every time you are in that phase you may move "a trooper" for free, with no allowance for multiple troopers per phase and no limit on how many times per game. Maybe it's a regional language usage issue, but I don't see how either Strategos or Cookie Monster level 2 allow for multiple uses in the same phase/Lunch break.
@colbrook point noted. I think your interpretation is equally valid and possibly the correct answer to this. On discord several people shared your opinion, and several were unconvinced by the wording. Same as here. Please @ijw smite me for my sins against rules. How many cookies can cookie monster eat?!
So, following this logic, do you stipulate that Strategos L1 changes only one LT Order into a Regular Token? That a model with (Lieutenant +1 Order, Strategos L1) supplies the Order Pool with 1 LT Order and two Regulars, instead of three Regular Orders? If - as I've seen it played everywhere - Strategos L1 changes both LT Orders into Regular ones, despite the "replace the Special Lieutenant Order with a Regular Order and add this Order to the Order Pool of the User's Combat Group" phrasing, then there's zero reason why SL2 should be limited to a single use based on same phrasing, like you propose.
This is my issue with arguing over the word "the" or "a" to mean singular. In minelayer we are lead to believe that it means you may only use it once, but in Strategos 1 we are lead to believe it applies to all LT orders. because a previous level of Strategos uses "the" to mean plural, it does lean towards applying to plural but it is absolutely unclear due to multiple rules using the same idea but different result.
