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Starco lists are hard...

Discussion in 'StarCo' started by theomc, Jul 8, 2021.

  1. theomc

    theomc Well-Known Member

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    [insert whine] I'm finding Starco lists hard to build because so many units feel like auto-includes. Anyone else run into this?


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    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 33)
    RIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun ( | TinBot: Firewall [-6]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 29)
    AVICENNA Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
    KNAUF MULTI Sniper Rifle / AP Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32)
    SPECTOR (Parachutist, Combat Jump) Boarding Shotgun, Drop Bears / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 33)
    CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (1 | 23)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper Rifle ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 27)
    BRAWLER (Lieutenant) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 15)
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 11)
    HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)

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    EMILY (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle, Grenade Launcher, E/M Grenade Launcher, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 31)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 7)

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    Avicenna + Riot Grrls - amazing haris, too good and too versatile not to include...
    Knauf - so much better than in N3, must include...
    Raoul Spector - 'nuf said.
    Cateran - I could drop... but... T2 ammo...
    Brawler haris - Got a lot of MSV1, but this gives MSV2, plus I need a Lieutenant in there somewhere...
    Hardcase - not critical... but he's only 12pts. anyway...

    Emily - the only problem here is I ran out of points to give her four scrubs to work with...
    Transductor - I ran out of point...

    That doesn't even include Senor Massacre or Uhahu, and I'm already out of points...

    Where do you find you're trimming stuff out when making lists?
     
  2. krs_b

    krs_b New Member

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    Starco lists can definitely fill up pretty quick and they are more flexible in N4! I'm still finding my legs in the new edition but here are my thoughts:
    • You have 2 haris teams. The riot grrl haris is really good and the brawler haris isn't as good as it was in n3 since you have other troops that can see through smoke now with their MSV1s like the riots and Knauf. Pick one and go with it. I like the super cheap brawler haris of CSU, Lt, and HRL brawler if you don't want to run the riots, or run the riot CORE team which is also amazing.
    • You don't need all of those snipers. Choose 1 and ditch the rest. You could use a high burst bruiser like a Mobile Brigada with the core team and emily. Even a hellcat spitfire, Anaconda, Tsyklon, or something else with a big gun like a linked Alguacile HMG as a backup to the Riot spitfire would be good. I like the cataran the best, but can see the appeal of Knauf, and maybe the Brawler if you take:
    • Jaguars & irmandinos - Seriously some of the best things in Starco, especially if you have MSV in the list. I always take a combo of 3-4 of these guys.
    • Raoul is awesome...
    • Uhahu is also awesome, a strength of Starco
    • Emily is different now. The grenade bombing was OK in N3 but unreliable and super boring and has been somewhat nerfed. I think the cheaper breaker rifle version could have some play now as a late game fighter in what is left of your link teams.
    • The Starco midfield is actually pretty good with the Al Hawwa, hardcase, and bandits. Lots of cool options there.
    • Lt. - I generally just use a Alguacile or Brigada lt, but a lone brawler is OK. If you take him the cheap haris is good.
     
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  3. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    Yeah, I'd definitely go for Riot Grrl Haris or Brawlers, not both. This would free up points and slots for more bodies in the Core Fireteam or some midfield presence.
     
  4. theomc

    theomc Well-Known Member

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    My meta is very surpise-shot/msv/sniper-heavy and this can turn your army to swiss cheese if you don't compete. Maybe Massacre for the eclipse grenades...
     
  5. Delta57Dash

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    If your opponents are fond of running lots of long-range attack pieces, Raoul can have an absolute field day running around your opponent's backline. He's got the visual mods to punch through most DZ guards, has NWI to tank a template, and can deploy Drop Bears to force bad ARO choices.

    As for surprise shot, anything with Sixth sense (aka any fireteam with 4+ members) will ignore it, so keep that in mind. Or you could just null-deploy (aka not leave any ARO pieces out of cover) and ask your opponent what he plans to do with all those snipers and no targets.
     
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  6. theomc

    theomc Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that's what I wind up doing a lot.
    But I find having two (different) snipers that can support each other works really well. "Whitenoise? Ok the Cateran pops out and takes a T2 shot. Mimetism? OK then Knauf goes."
    "Oh yeah, and then Raoul comes in from side :)"
     
  7. kesharq

    kesharq Lucky Dice-Roller

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    Knauf and Cateran are no autoincludes in my StarCo lists :) I play lots of Camo markers (2 Bandits, Al'Hawwa Minelayer/Sniper, Hardcases Rifle - all in total cover if I go second), Raoul Parachutist, RiotGrrl Haris (Spitfire, Uhahu + someone tailored to the mission) and some Jaguar Panzerfausts for ARO. Fill that up to 15 orders with CSU Specialists, Transduktors or Alguaciles.

    I force my opponent to come forward, wasting orders on the way with trying to remove my camo markers. In my turn I then try to take out his Lt and order monkeys with Raoul and send my RiotGrrl Haris to deal with any leftover threats.
     
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  8. krs_b

    krs_b New Member

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    Ya lots to punish them with in Starco. Like others have said hide from the snipers and then hit them with Raoul, hellcats, bandits, jaguar smoke, linked hmg/spitfire etc. Don't compete on their terms.
     
  9. atomicfryingpan

    atomicfryingpan Well-Known Member

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    I'd take knauf over the cateran. Knauf is now my favorite unit in n4 so maybe I'm biased.
     
  10. theomc

    theomc Well-Known Member

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    Played a Power Pack game against TAK and took both Knauf and T2 Cateran and they both did exceptionally well. Wound up in a 2v2 sniper battle with Vassily and a Scout. SOOOO many shots were exchanged. In the end only the Cateran was left. Would have been a grand victory if I hadn't failed SEVEN WIP rolls between Raoul and Emily (was a theme for the night) in the last round...
     
  11. kghamilton

    kghamilton The_Omnishambles
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    I think you've hit the nail on the head! I struggle building Starco lists myself and it's taken this post to realise why.
    There really are just so many darn good profiles in here!
    In so much I've stopped taking link teams to cram all the excellent solo pieces in there (Hellcats, Raoul, Hawwa, Bandit, Hardcase, Uhuhu, Jags, Irm, CSU)
     
  12. kghamilton

    kghamilton The_Omnishambles
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    Maybe I should just play Nomads?
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 10)
    ALGUACIL (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, CC Weapon. (1 | 10)
    JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    UHAHU (Hacker) Pitcher, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 18)
    KNAUF MULTI Sniper Rifle / AP Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32)
    TSYKLON Spitfire, Pitcher / PARA CC Weapon(-6). (1 | 33)
    HAWWA' (Hacker, Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 26)
    SPECTOR (Parachutist, Combat Jump) Boarding Shotgun, Drop Bears / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 33)
    BANDIT Boarding Shotgun, E/M Mines / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 27)
    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    LUNOKHOD Heavy Shotgun, Akrylat-Kanone, D-Charges, Crazykoala / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 25)
    SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)
    REAKTION ZOND Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 25)
    HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 12)
    IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
    ZONDBOT PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
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  13. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Bakunin's best Morlock trainer
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    It's always an option
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    MODERATOR (Lieutenant) Combi Rifle / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 9)
    MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-6). (0 | 9)
    JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CC Weapon. (0 | 11)
    REM RACER (Hacker, RemDriver [+1 BS], Hacking Device) Submachine Gun ( ) / Pistol, PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 21)
    KNAUF MULTI Sniper Rifle / AP Heavy Pistol, CC Weapon. (1.5 | 32)
    VOSTOK (Albedo) Red Fury(+1B) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 40)
    ZERO (Hacker, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( ) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 24)
    HELLCAT Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 25)
    BANDIT Combi Rifle, Shock Mines ( | Deployable Repeater) / Pistol, DA CC Weapon. (0 | 28)

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    MORAN (Surprise Attack [-3], Camouflage [1 Use]) Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse, D-Charges, Crazykoala / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0.5 | 18)
    SALYUT (Hacker, EVO Hacking Device) ( ) / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0.5 | 15)
    REAKTION ZOND Heavy Machine Gun / PARA CC Weapon(-3). (1 | 25)
    LIBERTO Submachine Gun, Chain-colt / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 8)
    CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges ( | GizmoKit [+1B]) / Pistol, CC Weapon. (0 | 18)
    ZONDBOT PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)
    ZONDBOT PARA CC Weapon(-3). (0 | 3)

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  14. Lucian

    Lucian Catgirl Nation

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    Any good guided missile combos for starco so far?
     
  15. TheDiceAbide

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    Tsyklon puts pitchers out to 24" on 12's? Uhahu can haris for B2 pitchers? I don't think guided missiles are worth the investment in StarCo honestly.
     
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  16. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    For GML spotting/repeater network your best options are:

    The Bandit with deployable repeater has always been my favorite way to get a repeater out for GML spotting with good certainty. He also has a combi and mines, way better than the other non-Specialist Bandit profiles IMO.

    You can also add Uhahu into whatever your aggressive links are and chuck Pitchers. This has the advantage of not adding a lot of cost, if you were already using Uhahu with a linked Tinbot trooper.

    - Riots are great for castling just like in Bakunin (that missile launcher is often my MVP), or for aggressive advances with the Spitfire (though that means an advancing Core link usually, as you definitely want Spitfire, Tinbot, Avicenna before you even add Uhahu… unless you also have a Daktari with Zondbot following the link anyways).

    - Brigada are a bit pricey for just embedding Uhahu, but they do hit hard. I prefer the Riots though for price and that awesome Dodge.

    Lastly there’s the direct routes for hacking:

    - Brigada hacker is an amazing value for the price. Fast, decently armored, built-in Tinbot -6 (!!), and D-charges to boot. She’s great solo in vanilla, or solo in StarCo if you’ve already got your links and need an aggressive hacker. Great for Exclusion Zone missions.

    - Al Hawwa is just an okay infiltrating camo hacker. If you can afford Bandit DepRep and Uhahu combo, do that before you take an AlHawwa.
     
  17. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Isn’t GML kind of a Plan B in most builds? It seems to be taken to make opponents more careful about avoiding repeater networks, more than as an active turn threat IME.

    I only use it when it’s the best tool available, which usually means I am somewhere halfway up sh!t creek… or got very lucky with a reactive Spotlight that the opponent failed to Reset out of.
     
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  18. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Oh, and: keep a Salyut/baggage bot near Uhahu if you can. Those pitchers run out fast when you’re shooting 2 at a time. If the Salyut’s in your Group 2 and you don’t have dedicated uses for those orders yet, spending 2 orders to reload and then shoot even more pitchers out is a pretty good investment.
     
  19. theomc

    theomc Well-Known Member

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    FO with Emily in a link out to 48" with no range penalty (X-visor) from cover with Mim -3
    Put her in a cheap 3-man and your FO'ing at WIP14 B3 out to 48" in the active turn
     
  20. colbrook

    colbrook Grenade Delivery Specialist

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    B2, Technical Weapons don't get Fireteam Bonuses.
     
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