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StarCo at 400: Anyone have much expereince?

Discussion in 'StarCo' started by Savnock, Dec 14, 2018.

  1. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    For the European Infinity Challenge this March, they've decided to go for 400 points. I'm heavily considering StarCo for it (all the various flavors of Nomads, YJ, or Shas being my other possible choices).

    Do any of you all have experience with playing StarCo at 400?

    StarCo has been my go-to army for the last few months because it played Limited Insertion well for Interplanetario... and then because it's one of the only things I have even 300 points of painted (my pile of bare-metal-shame is enormous).

    But many of the things that worked well in Limited don't stretch well to 400. There are a lot of great units that are only AVA 1 in StarCo. Still a solid linkteam backbone, but secondary stuff is pretty scattershot.

    So anyways, experiences (or conjectures) appreciated if you can share please.

    Missions are:

    1 – Quadrant control
    2 - Catch'em All (Custom)
    3 - Acquisition
    4 – Hunting party
    5 - Frosbyte
     
  2. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Gah. I cannot spell "experience" apparently.
     
  3. McNamara

    McNamara Merc Rep

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    Hmm, not having much experience with playing at 400. I guess something like this is doable:

    Starco. Free Company of the Star
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    RIOT GRRL (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
    AVICENNA Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 39)
    MOBILE BRIGADA Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 40)
    MOBILE BRIGADA Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 37)
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    SEÑOR MASSACRE Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, E/M CCW. (0 | 26)
    IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    BANDIT Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 25)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]2
    HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    SPECTOR (AD: Combat Jump) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, E/M2 CC Weapon. (0 | 33)
    UHAHU Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Pitcher, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    JAGUAR Adhesive Launcher, Panzerfaust / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 13)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)

    6.5 SWC | 399 Points

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    But you also could go for an Alguacil Link with a Riot Grrl Haris, and bump it up to 10 Orders in each Combat Group. Or Riot Grrl Link and a Brawler Haris, maybe?

    Alcuacils&Grrls:
    Starco. Free Company of the Star
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    ALGUACIL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
    ALGUACIL HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 18)
    EMILY (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and E/M), Nanopulser / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    RIOT GRRL (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
    AVICENNA Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    SPECTOR (AD: Combat Jump) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, E/M2 CC Weapon. (0 | 33)
    IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]3
    LUNOKHOD Heavy Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, D-Charges, CrazyKoalas (2) / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)
    TSYKLON Spitfire, Pitcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 31)
    BANDIT Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 25)
    HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    JAGUAR Adhesive Launcher, Panzerfaust / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 13)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    7.5 SWC | 399 Points

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    Grrls&Brawler
    Starco. Free Company of the Star
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    RIOT GRRL (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    RIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 33)
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
    RIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    EMILY (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and E/M), Nanopulser / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    AVICENNA Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BRAWLER (Fireteam: Haris) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 17)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]4 [​IMG]4
    BANDIT Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 25)
    HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    LUNOKHOD Heavy Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, D-Charges, CrazyKoalas (2) / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)
    CATERAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 21)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)
    HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    8 SWC | 398 Points

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  4. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Morlock trainer
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    In "Catch 'em all",what do you have to do to score a 10?
    Personally I like @McNamara's Grrls + Brawlers list. Despite that I had to tweak it a bit:
    Wild Bunch
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1
    CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    EMILY (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and E/M), Nanopulser / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
    RIOT GRRL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 33)
    RIOT GRRL Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
    RIOT GRRL Boarding Shotgun, Stun Grenades + TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 30)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BRAWLER (Fireteam: Haris) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 17)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    CATERAN Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (0.5 | 21)
    HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    JAGUAR Light Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, E/M CCW. (0 | 13)
    SALYUT Hacker (EVO Hacking Device) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 25)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    8 SWC | 400 Points

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    The next list is just an insanely dumb approach to shock your opponent with not only one but two turds on a stick:
    Anacondas
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2
    ALGUACIL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
    ALGUACIL Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    ANACONDA (Fireteam: Duo) HMG + Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / CCW. (2 | 64)
    [​IMG] OPERATOR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (- | 0)
    ANACONDA (Fireteam: Duo) HMG + Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / CCW. (2 | 64)
    [​IMG] OPERATOR Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (- | 0)
    BANDIT Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 25)
    BANDIT Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 25)
    EMILY (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and E/M), Nanopulser / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]5 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    BRAWLER Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 18)
    BRAWLER (Fireteam: Haris) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 17)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    CLOCKMAKER Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Breaker Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 15)
    IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    SPECTOR (AD: Combat Jump) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, E/M2 CC Weapon. (0 | 33)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    8 SWC | 399 Points

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  5. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Thanks for the ideas guys, those are great lists.

    Forgot to mention: There is a Soldiers of Fortune extra at the event too.

    I'm going to make one of my choices the Alguaciles link/Riot Grrls haris option. I've modified the list you posted @McNamara , and squeezed in more orders as you suggested. I also added more ARO presence via a TR bot and extra warcors. More importantly I added a couple of Yuan Yuan just to grind opponents' backfield coverage down, get them to Change Face etc. before Raoul comes in. Dear lord do I live screwing with people via multiple drop troops.

    Can't get the bloody list to copy on my phone though so will have to post that later.

    @Tristan228 unfortunately still no idea what Catch 'Em All is but I'm guessing it will be like Baconland but with Pokemon. IE grab objectives that run away from you. So gonna try to make my second list fairly fast/mobile with decent smoke coverage too.

    I actually really like your Anaconda list but given all the hacking that will definitely be there, thinking my TAG presence might be low.
     
  6. Tristan228

    Tristan228 Morlock trainer
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    If you check the placements of the German Championship you'll see the top two players had no SOFs in their lists, so play what suits you best and don't rely on hired guns (I'm aware of the irony since StarCo are hired guns:smirk:).

    That's interesting why didn't the organizers communicate this properly?
    Ok, well that's a surprise:sweat_smile:But think about this: if an Anaconda get's possessed you'll need only two successful hits to "de-possess" it and you'll propably get the order back and keep the points - now even unhackble and able to hide properly!
     
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  7. Savnock

    Savnock Nerfherder

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    Here's the list I built with Alguaciles/Emily and a RiotGrrls Haris. I like to break my hitters up by order groups, if I have two full order pools, with a spare in each in case the main strikers get taken out. Also this list is designed to do some attrition damage and keep a decent ARO presence to deal with very, very likely horde opponents.

    Very Irregular
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]8 [​IMG]2 [​IMG]1
    SPECTOR (AD: Combat Jump) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, E/M2 CC Weapon. (0 | 33)
    LUNOKHOD Heavy Shotgun, Heavy Flamethrower, D-Charges, CrazyKoalas (2) / Electric Pulse. (0 | 25)
    EMILY (Chain of Command) Combi Rifle + Light Grenade Launcher (Normal and E/M), Nanopulser / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
    ALGUACIL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)
    ALGUACIL HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 18)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    ALGUACIL Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 10)
    REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    BRAWLER Lieutenant Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 16)
    IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    ZONDBOT Electric Pulse. (0 | 3)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]7 [​IMG]3 [​IMG]2
    RIOT GRRL Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 34)
    RIOT GRRL (Fireteam: Haris) Combi Rifle, Blitzen, Stun Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 30)
    AVICENNA Combi Rifle, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 27)
    BANDIT Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Light Shotgun, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 25)
    UHAHU Hacker (Hacking Device Plus. UPGRADE: Icebreaker) Pitcher, D-Charges / Assault Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 25)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    SALYUT (Minesweeper, Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    YUAN YUAN Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (0 | 8)

    GROUP 3[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]3
    HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    8 SWC | 400 Points

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    I'm thinking my other list may be Brigada-based just for fun, plus have an MSV2 sniper/HRL plus link to deal with smoke-tossing hordes.

    Brgda 2xMSV2
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    GROUP 1[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]9 [​IMG]1 [​IMG]1
    MOBILE BRIGADA HMG / Pistol, Knife. (2 | 42)
    MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 39)
    MOBILE BRIGADA Combi Rifle + 1 TinBot B (Deflector L2) / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 37)
    DAKTARI Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 14)
    SEÑOR MASSACRE Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades, Eclipse Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW, E/M CCW. (0 | 26)
    REAKTION ZOND HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
    IRMANDINHO Chain Rifle, D-Charges, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (0 | 8)
    BRAWLER (Multispectral Visor L2) MULTI Sniper / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 28)
    BRAWLER Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 18)
    BRAWLER (Fireteam: Haris) Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 17)

    GROUP 2[​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]6 [​IMG]3
    SPECTOR (AD: Combat Jump) Boarding Shotgun, Nanopulser, Drop Bears / Pistol, E/M2 CC Weapon. (0 | 33)
    HAWWA' Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
    HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    JAGUAR Adhesive Launcher, Panzerfaust / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 13)
    JAGUAR Chain Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, DA CCW. (0 | 10)
    STEMPLER ZOND Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
    TRANSDUCTOR ZOND Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)
    CSU (Specialist Operative) Rifle + Light Shotgun, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
    WARCOR (Aerocam) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (0 | 3)

    8 SWC | 389 Points

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    Good advice thanks. Seems to me that SOF are generally a crutch that's not needed, but some armies (Joan PanO lists especially) really gain a lot from them. Yojimbo brings a lot too if an amry has crappy smoke coverage- or Uhahu/Massacre for Caledonians when someone thinks they've got you because they have MSV... etc. etc.

    Also: 3 Warcors if you take SoF. Plus up to 4 Yuan Yuan. Just with that little cheap bump (say 22 points/1 SWC for 2 extra WarCors and 2 Yuan Yuan) your list becomes much, much more annoying to deal with. I'm having trouble -not- building it into a 400-point build. In 300 I was way too slim on points/SWC but at 400... plenty of room.

    I'm hoping it will come out soon. Also their village got flooded (resulting in deaths) right in the middle of the planning, but they've still been great on communications, so I am definitely not putting any more pressure at all on the organizers.

    Hah, good point. I'm also keen on trying a Tinbot Brigada with an Anaconda sometime... but probably not at a tourney.